I have limited fight training, a little karate and a little boxing, but I train a few times a week on my own; mainly heavy bag work with punching/kicking combo's. Anyway, I feel that my fighting skills are probably better than 90%+ of NON-fighters, and I think I could hold my own against ;most people with limited or no training. However, I've always wondered, how do you go about fighting someone that goes all out ape $hit wild charging in and throwing haymakers left and right? You can't really box someone like this, so what do you do?
I have had experience with non fighters. There stand up is really bad. The throw slow highly telegraphed punches. Easy to avoid. You really dont need to get to detailed when fighting non trained people. Streight punches usually work fine. I will usually just work my jab until I find a opening for a right or hook to end it and then swarm the crap out of them.
You just bassically have to get the one shot in that will daze them and then swarm and finish. They will always ball up if they arent trained because they arent used to getting hit and you can just unload on them. Keep in mind you still have to keep proper form because nothing sucks more then a sucker punch
I'm talking about the type of fights you usually see on youtube; guys coming in and just throwing a viscious barrage of combos until they gas. When I said "non-fighters", I meant guys that didn't train competitively, not necessarily guys that can't throw a punch.
Take a look at Belfort vs Silva. What kind of defense can you have against an attack like that?
Silva went straight back wehn he shoud of gone back at an angle. When you go back in a straight line you are very easy to hit but when you step back at angles it makes you harder to hit and creates angles for you to hit the other guy.
Ok, stepping back at an angle makes sense, but what about defending against the initial barrage? No offense, but if anyone was getting pounded like Silva was, they're probably not going to remember to step back at angles. You're talking a dozen or so hits in a few seconds.
I highly doubt the person you are fighting is anywhere near as fast as Vitor was. Also Silva isn't know for his defense, he will eats punches. If it is stritly more of a boxing type fight where only hands are used then you need to watching boxing instead of mma to learn. Any good boxer would have step out at an angle if someone rushed in like Vitor did. You have to practice this stuff so its in your muscle memory.
hahaha screw boxing. I love my kicks. I have faught some pretty pathedic dudes, like closed eye, leaned back swing for the fences types. Best way to end it, IMO, nice cut kick right to the leg. I did this one to the big guy (230 lbs). Stupid juicer, he went ape shit on me, threw the madest hooks. I ducked sleped back, loaded up a cut kick, and down he went, you shoulda seen this dude, it was hilarious. Another one that has worked for me in the past are straight kicks right on the knee if you can.
If you can time your kicks right (execially if you do karate) use them...its hilarious...some guys will get mad, cuz theyre not expecting it...who cares. Also, as a fighter you should just totaly avoid fighting non fighters...its just emberrasing. ahaha
Ive fought a few guys out on the street. Ive learned not to talk about training when your out in public because guys will try and start shit with you. One time we were at a freinds house and it was a UFC party. They were showing heath hering vs nog. One of the guys was like yeah all you need is that one big bomb and saying if you just rush in and fight it doesnt matter you will win.
I said look man if you fight any one who's half way polytechnic he will pick you apart if you fight like that. If you brawl its a see what happens type deal. You cant control the outcome its who ever gets a good shot first.
Hes like what the hell do you know and I made the mistake of saying I train I actually know how to fight. I should have said your right man or not have talked to him. He then called me out and I didn't want to fight and then he started shoving. I let my pride get the best of me and we took it outside. He went in to rush and swarm like he said he would and i circled and he just kept running after me and I just kept circling. Then I picked an angle and as he rushed in I threw a round house to the body and he ran right into him and folded him.
He got back up and by now was pretty tired. I didnt want to hurt him just prove a point and I kicked him in the leg and as most trained people it was the most paintful thing in the world for him. I hit him again there and he was in alot of pain.
I asked him if he wanted to keep going and he said no. I went to walk away and the fucker wanted to rush me from behind. So he took me down and mounted me and was trying to throw haymakers from the mount and I quickly reversed him and since he didnt know how to pull guard I mounted him.
Got him in an arm triangle put him to sleep and said ok we need to leave before this guy wakes up.
Moral of the story is if you train you really have no business fighting untrained guys. Any guy whos been in a decent gym for 6 months can pick apart a normal guy it just isnt fair. With the training and knowledge there comes a degree of responsibility. I dont fight in the street any more and never will again. Most of the time in life its better to just let it go especially if its some one your never going to see again
I've gotten into my share of brawls against untrained fighters and I always notice this. Keep up a good stance and move from side to side at times, so if they rush at you, they have a good chance of missing.
Also, do not be afraid to use wrestling or better yet the CLINCH. To a semi-trained person they know the clinch is devastating, but to a complete stranger to martial arts, when you lock in that clinch they start thinking "what the hell?"
Always keep your cool and try to use technique instead of purely using random swings. Combos wouldn't hurt a damn bit either...
In my personal experience I've found that fighting guys like this can seem very intimidating at first. The first thing that comes to mind is "what if I get his by just one of those haymakers?!!". There was a guy at a kung fu class I went to that enjoyed sparring with me. He was a textbook version of what the OP is talking about I would think. He was about 10kg's heavier than me and would just rush in throwing lefts and rights to no end.
At first its pretty difficult, but after about just a minute or so you really get used to it...literally. Those punches are so easy to see coming, block and slip, and, my favourite, especially easy to counter with a couple of straights. Chances are, your opponent won't even think about moving back at an angle making it just that much easier. Throw in a few kicks and you'll have him where you want him.
I think the best thing one can do against such people, is not get overconfident. Those punches may be crap, but it only takes one to put you on your ass, so be careful anyway. Remember what you've trained and stay calm. Simple as that.
My favirote thing to do is when the person throws.. Lets say a 1-2 combo, 1 big wide hooks. Duck under, get behind him, get a good take down put them in a nice tight RNC. And through them choking they'll start saying things like " You *gargle gargle* *****!" and shit like that and next thing they know, night night. Or, clinch them up knee away, they have no idea how to defend in the clinch. Just take them down. They have no idea how to throw a punch there not going to know how to pass gaurd or do anything like that.
if you have ever boxed you would know that with latteral movement and keeping the jab in his face will beat most anyone that is new to the ring.
doing heavy bag workouts w/combos is cool, but that all changes when you are fighting. then timing, foot work, and the ability to dig within are taken into account.
just because someone throws wild punches does not necessarily mean you will be able to beat him. i belive after 15 seconds in a street fight it is the guy with the bigger heart will win.
I clinch those guys and give them a couple hard knees to the body. That always slows them down. Also good hard push kicks to the body. If you knock the wind out of them for constantly coming forward they will start to think about it and slow down. Then every now and them when they start to come forward you can feint the push kick by just lifting up your knee waist high. Sometimes guys will hunch over to brace themselves for the kick, I like to plant my foot down hard and land with the jab at the same time, then cross hook low kick.
Oh and if you are straight boxing just keep it simple and throw jab cross right down the middle.
funny that's the same way i fight a big clumsy fat sasquatch in my tkd school...she's lucky I don't let go on her
I know my teacher thinks I'm going to spar her (orange belt ) for my purple belt. I don't think so b/c I don't want her 55-yr-old self to get hurt.
No this woman just took cheap shots at me about 18 mos ago when I moved up to orange belt i.e. drilling me with clumsy kicks in point sparring when yr. only supposed to tap. I went to jam her and she's so uncoordinated I knocked her down. I should also add that my teacher had not helped me refine the process of jamming someone which I made sure he knew. She claimed she hurt her knee and later I said to my teacher months later, "I don't know how you hurt your knee when you fall on your ass." This woman doesn't understand sportsmanlike point sparring for rank, she gets all heavy. She is still clumsy, ungraceful and uncoordinated after having taken tkd for almost 4 years. She only spars her partner in a semiprivate lesson once a week when I take class 2-4x and week and routinely get beat up by the male students and my teacher. Now she's coming to self defense sparring and I stay away from that particular class because I don't need to have any more violent impulses toward people.
If you think only 12-yr-olds get pissed off in their martial arts classes think again, my class is half women in their 30s and 40s, except for the old pair in the semiprivate lesson I referred to earlier.
When I get in a street fight, (which was all too often) I'd normally be drunk :S, I usually just faked the first punch then side stepped and let him throw at me, then i'd come in with "an upperhook", Basicly i like to catch people under the chin at a 45* angle. Not being big headed but i've never hit anyone with that punch that they didn't go down.
I took boxing for 4 or 5 years and I'm hopefully going to start Muay Thai. Im'a keep my fighting inside the ring from now on, wouldn't wana be the steriotypcial irish man lol
Counter punching and head movement. And hey, if it's MMA and not just boxing maybe drop your level and go for the takedown and beat them up on the ground.
Pretty much what everyone else has said, good footwork/ head movement. Another thing that really helps is good conditioning, 95% of "non fighters" gas within the first 2 minutes of a fight. My personal favorite is a double jab rush to a double leg :thumb02:.
Yea if its a street fight and its just you vs him (them) you'll probably get jumped, rough times in north philly... But if its some jackass after school (only one or two these experiences at my old military school) I used to change my level and shoot a double, if someone has no experience on the ground getting a good position is like clockwork and then a few elbows and they see blood and the fights over- or its someone who is a tough son of a gun and you better be ready to scrap. But in general I would avoid those situations.
Listen, if you are fighting anybody who swings like a madman, especially if they are big, you have to take them the **** down. Nobody, nobody knows what to do when it hits the ground. You'll find yourself in sidemount or wherever the hell you want to be in seconds. On the other hand, I don't care if you think you are floyd mayweather, you can get ktfo on the feet. Nobody is going to knock you out when you are lying on top of them.
Also you don't risk accidentally killing the guy by punching him and him falling and cracking his head on a pavement.
There is a reason this is what police offiers, security guards and bouncers all do.
My oldest brother did it to me when I was much younger, started wrestling the next year because of it! (He had been wrestling for a number of years) So it was nothing for him, plus he is my older brother- law of nature...
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