remember morgan freeman said it best "around high school i found out people like to hear the sound of my voice and would pay to listen to me talk. So i figure, i better start talking....."
if gsp has no interest in facing bj again then dana should force them to fight a third time lol.either that or give him the ultimatum-face bj or anderson or yourself because out of three weight classes (MW,WW,LW) i cant find anyone else close to his level.raise01:
Second: GSP doesn't want to fight him because it's a waste of his time. He doesn't need a tune up fight against someone he's beaten twice (Chuck) and BJ has no standing in the WW division.
Third: The outcome of their last fight had very little if anything to do with greasing. The thing that had an effect on it was BJ getting his face smashed for three rounds and then not being able to think through a concussion.
I would like to see a noncontroversial 3rd fight from these 2. he has nothing left to prove except in their last fight he did something that people thought was so bad that they changed the rules off the ufc to make sure it could not be repeated.
I am a huge fan of GSP's but he needs a 3rd fight to wash away the blemish i see as /is his last fight, him greasing made it a loss in my eyes
(p.s. just cause i know it will get brought up I am also a huge Penn fan.)
if I was in penns corner I would have thrown in the towel too if I could see the the other fighter keep getting greased up every round and see my fighters guard which he is known for, just keep slipping off like he was a guy that had not trained BJJ in his life
The only reason I would want to see GSP pound BJ into the ground again would be so I could get the fantasy points for BJ fighting in a main event.......
It's already 2-0 GSP, you only get to 3-0 when you're a can and the UFC is looking to make you a joke, see Tito v Shamrock.
if I was in penns corner I would have thrown in the towel too if I could see the the other fighter keep getting greased up every round and see my fighters guard which he is known for, just keep slipping off like he was a guy that had not trained BJJ in his life
For some reason i have a hard time believing the canadian samurai GSP would ever do something dishonorable like greasing, but at the same time if he did, since it wasnt against the rules at the time, i reaspect fighting with your head as well.
Really though, why would the UFC want to try and shoot BJ down AGAIN by feeding him to GSP, couldnt do it early on, couldnt do it at the primes of their careers, those are two losses. Its not like they have a long standing hatred for each other and bj goes to Joe Silva everyother day saying "I wanna fight GSP again"
For some reason i have a hard time believing the canadian samurai GSP would ever do something dishonorable like greasing, but at the same time if he did, since it wasnt against the rules at the time, i reaspect fighting with your head as well.
Really though, why would the UFC want to try and shoot BJ down AGAIN by feeding him to GSP, couldnt do it early on, couldnt do it at the primes of their careers, those are two losses. Its not like they have a long standing hatred for each other and bj goes to Joe Silva everyother day saying "I wanna fight GSP again"
Barry Bonds hit a homerun with a broken bat......just including that, don't know why.
It's you're not your btw.(Your sig)
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Because I felt like sounding like an asshole, though I'm sure the entire point of that sig is to get people to do what I'm doing.
I'm interested to see a third purely because they are both superstars and there is so much hype surrounding all of their matches. However, GSP handled BJ Penn convincingly enough in their 2nd fight that I don't believe a 3rd is necessary.
There are plenty of GIFs out there with top fighters including A.Silva taking any amount of vaseline left on his face and rubbing it on his body, and yet GSPs corner does something similar and it explodes into what was discussed previously and whats happening now.
Also notice how BJ was able to hold onto GSP and neutralize, and GSP wasn't able to just effortlessy slip BJ's arms and legs off of his back, head, and shoulders as if they weren't even there.
I know, I know...it's just because GSP had improved so much and BJ was so lazy.
yep if that is what GSP wants, to have the last fight against a top tier fighter to be ended in a controversy. it is funny that he was all about the 2nd fight before the rule change but now that he cant have his special helper he is no way going to take the fight :thumb02:
I re-watched the 2nd GSP Penn fight 2 times recently. Grease had nothing to do with the ass beating Penn got. If they fought a 3rd time GSP would just demolish him even worse. That was seriously one of the most one sided beatings I have ever seen and the little bit of grease that was on him did not effect the outcome imo. But the die hard Penn fans need to cling on to that as an excuse to ease the pain. If it went to a 5th round then BJ might just be dead. After all the shit talking BJ did before the fight made it that much better. However I do have to admit the fight wasn't very fair because of the size and strength advantage of GSP. BJ needs to stay at LW and dominate there for a while. He loses too much speed and is at a huge size disadvantage at WW.
Wow M_D I was gonna quote all of your accusations but it would have taken up an entire page by itself...
GSP dominated every single aspect of that fight. I highly doubt that Penn would have subbed GSP. He was being outwrestled, badly ground and pounded, and he was getting completely worked on his feet. I am so tired of this greasing excuse, Penn would lose another fight with GSP if they were to fight again, it is crystal clear that GSP is the better fighter.
if I said GSP sucks and has no skill yadda yadda then I would be trolling this I am just debating against some friends on here and was having a blast doing so, i was just taking the unpopular side of the arguement for its more fun to debate 20 people at once then it is to be on the other side and be one of the 20.
I could debate the other side of this just as much and just as strongly. this side is just more fun.
Cool vid for the OP. If BJ worked his way up to the title shot, that'd be cool, but no other than that. I love Penn, but he lost the first fight though it was close and clearly lost the second fight regurdless of your views on the grease. Maybe this new Penn can hang with GSP...But I don't think he'll be able to overcome GSP's size and strength advantage. Either way could be a cool fight, or a repeat.
most def agree with him having to work his way up to the title I absolutely hate when fighters are just givin a title shot, just if/when penn does I dont want gsp to say no to the fight, I will always watch these two go at it even if gsp wins every time for I like seeing them fight and honestly i see them as being each others only real challenge
Sorry gsp fans but if you seriously believe that the 3rd fight would be the same as the second then im sorry but you are delusional. Bj Penn is not the same Penn he was back then and i think it would be a much closer fight this time round.
The fact that the rules were changed after this fight says a lot to me. You can see the Vaseline being applied.
Im not saying that gsp would have not won the fight if he hadn't greased however it gave him a distinct unfair advantage which is there to see in video format. How people are arguing about this is beyond me..............
I also believe Penn has much more of a chance at beating gsp, than gsp has of beating Silva if he moved up.
GSP has the top game to keep Penn at bay, Penn was completely dominated in the striking department, and he couldn't defend GSP's takedowns, I have a hard time believing that Penn would fair much better if they were to fight again.
I honestly can't see a third fight ending any way but brutal win for GSP. Penn is not a WW, he's too small and loses his cardio and speed at 170. GSP has done nothing but get better every single fight and I think he would crush Penn.
Having said that, I would like to see Penn fight other WW, Fitch, Alves, Kos maybe Hughes in a rubber match. If he showed he could be just as good at WW as he is at LW, than bring on GSP v Penn 3. I don't want to see BJ move up right into a title shot.
Having said that, I would like to see Penn fight other WW, Fitch, Alves, Kos maybe Hughes in a rubber match. If he showed he could be just as good at WW as he is at LW, than bring on GSP v Penn 3. I don't want to see BJ move up right into a title shot.
I have to take off for a bit, I know the debate is going well and all right now but make sure to keep it civil, and I will be back to have some more fun with everybody later. that is if Mckeever doesn't win the debate before i get back lol
He sounds like Jean Claude Van Dam to me and makes me think of Blood Sport.
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