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post #22 of (permalink) Old 02-17-2007, 03:45 PM
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Originally Posted by BJJBoy
Um, Helio won against Kimura, Look at this video YouTube - Judo VS Jiu-Jitsu you can see that the newpaper says victory for Helio Gracie.

Also if you look at this Helio Gracie: Judo vs Jujitsu article, you can see that kimura out wieght Helio and was much much taller.

Also, the thing with judo is, a 13 year ol kid with judo experience canot tap out a 40 year old with no experience cuase strengh has alot to do with it, but in bjj the guy can be a body builder and you can be 10 and still tap him out 5 times in 4 minutes.
Do you even study martial arts? You sound like a Rickson Gracie fan on f*cking crack. Sit back for a second and read this:

Helio Gracie is listed by old records in Kokodan (the governing body of Judo) as a 3rd degree blackbelt in Judo.

If you are trying to imply that strength has absolutely nothing to do with winning in a BJJ competition (or is so much overshadowed by skill) than why do almost all BJJ schools do conditioning? If strength is not a factor than why would a fighter waste his time with pushups, situps and pullups when he could be training technique?

This is the end of a commentary on the match between Masahiko Kimura and Helio Gracie:

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Finally, thirteen minutes into the bout, Kimura positioned himself to apply a reverse ude-garami (arm entanglement, a shoulderlock). Gracie refused to submit, even after his arm broke, forcing Kimura to continue the lock on Gracie's broken arm. At this point, Carlos Gracie, Helio's older brother, threw in the towel to end the match to protect his brother's health. In 1994, Helio admitted in an interview that he had in fact been choked unconscious earlier in the match, but had revived and continued fighting.
But that's not all:

As a tribute to Kimura's victory, the reverse ude-garami technique has since been commonly referred to as the Kimura lock, or simply the Kimura, in Brazilian Jiu-Jitsu and, more recently, mixed martial arts circles.
If you knew anything about the history of martial arts you would avoid going to "Helio Gracie v Masahiko Kimura" as a way of saying that Gracie JJ is better than Judo. Every judoka who has ever competed in combat grappling or vale tudo knows that story and they know that Kimura spent the entire match basically kicking the crap out of Gracie.

Look, do your homework, or don't show up to class. Enough said.

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