Lol wow, it hurt the 1st time I got cought and every time after. When I roll with most blue belts and higher they would secure the arm-bar and let me know they got it, if I try to escape or resist then they would torqe down and I would have to tap. (we have good training partners)
When I roll with fellow white belts we usualy go all out, if we secure an arm-bar we torqe down until one of us taps.
New York needs MMA!