Originally Posted by deadmanshand
Bobby... you are still being an elitist. MMA is a martial art. It is. It is a martial art as much as jiujitsu is. Jiujitsu's actual philosophy is whatever works. Sounds a lot like mma to me.
Why is someone specialized in one thing more respectable in your eyes than someone who mastered multiple disciplines? It doesn't make any sense. There is no perfection in any martial art. Training in martial arts is a constant search for perfection but there is no end to it. You don't reach a certain point in Judo and relax because you have perfected it. You don't do that with Muay Thai, Karate, Kung Fu, Jiujitsu, or any other martial art in existence.
To me mixed martial arts is the epitome of martial arts. It is taking 2000+ years of training and seeing what actually works. Thus the extraneous bits begin to flake away and we get a martial art that is effective. The purest form of hand to hand combat and - as more people train in it - we get to see the real differences between fighters. It will be two men with access to the samea training proving which of them has the stronger mind in the ring. Proving who has trained harder. Proving who deserves to be a champion.
If you don't like that this is not the sport for you. Fighting isn't about philosophy. It's about fighting. It's about stepping into the eye of the storm and coming out with your head held high. Your beliefs that it is not an art are superfluous. It will not change that it is. It will not change what is coming.
If you don't want to watch the evolution of hand to hand combat then don't. Go practice one of your "respectable" arts and let the rest of us enjoy.
And, just to let you know, I come from that old school background. I have a black belt in both Judo and Tae Kwon Do as well as a blue belt in Shotokan Karate. I'm not someone trained at one of these barbaric gyms.
Ok my friend, I understand your point about MMA being a Martial Art. But I still can not agree with that thoroughly. We can call it a art of fighting. But a Martial Art.. I to not have the heart to call it that!
But back to the topic now
That you can never master a Martial Art is very true from you. Very true!
But don't you think something will be lost?? That the actual Sport will change forever? That the beauty of the sport will leave us?? What makes MMA great for you??
Isn't this a sad thought for you??
Don't you think it's part of the Sport?
All those different kind of backgrounds wich make a fighter so unbeliavble unique to us will just die out forever..
cause every single fighter will just be another dude who came out of those babaric MMA gyms. Everybody will be a boring MMA fighter who probably trained only Muay Thai, BJJ and Wrestling..WOW to become THE MMA CHAMP! Does this really not bother you at all?? Isn't that why we are watching this Sport? And why this Sport is so great compared to all those others combat sports like K-1 or Boxing?
For me this thought just ruins everything.. and I really don't know how I can get over that. I really really hope this evolution of the Sport takes as long as possible.
Originally Posted by HexRei
the old discplines will never die out because they are arts or sports in their own right. many people who practice them arent very interested in MMA at all, and I don't see any real reason that will change.
Thats very true. But you missunderstood me here! I was saying that the traditional Martial Art would have no place in MMA anymore. It of course will still exsist everywhere.. but also in this combat Sport?? Or will we never see a guy like Maia making the transition to MMA anymore?? just because they can not keep up with those guys who train at those MMA gyms from an early age.
Will the beauty of the Sport die forever??