Guys, remember to read the rules, which can be found in the sticky in this section. Posting this in here to not disrupt that thread.
I removed a few posts from the debate that IM started above, as they did not qualify to be posted in the debate. Nothing off topic, no throw in posts, no simply observations. If you post in a thread, you need to debate it in an in-depth manner, take an example of how IM and Liddell are debating, or other threads, otherwise it's a regular discussion thread and could be posted elsewhere, like in the lounge. This place is for in depth debate.