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post #15 of (permalink) Old 01-12-2011, 05:19 PM
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i would much rather have a big wrestler than a slick bjj on top of me anyday, i can gogoplata wrestlers from side control
I would honestly like to know how that's even remotely possible. Are you talking about modifying it, bringing your knee up to his head and putting your shin under it and grabbing your foot over his head while putting your other leg over his back (Think Kimura from bottom position)? That seems next to impossible against a good ggrappler as he should never give you the space to get the leg under his belly and over his back.

Also, this is technically from guard, not side :P

Originally Posted by Kin View Post
Great post! You followed the format even better than I did,which is sad since I'm the one who laid it out...

But yeah, wait, you can shoot off of a teep?! Is it off of a landed teep or a missed teep? I guess I could visualize pushing someone back with a teep and shooting right as they come back in.
The teep throws them off balance if landed correctly. Many people think "Teep" and "Front Kick" are interchangeable, they are not. A teep is landed on the hip and used to make the opponents hips shoot out rearward, bringing their head down and throwing them off balance. A front kick is landed to the abdomen and meant to be damaging. A front push kick is a mix of the two. It's landed to the abdomen and meant to push your attacker backward while doing slight damage.

To clarify, when a teep is landed, your attacking foot should slide off their hip after a successful attack, not be retracted (if you retract it, there's no pushing momentum and hence the technique fails). This sets you up in an already forward moving state with your opponent off balance.

I'm a big fan of your style of shooting (as I have the same one). I used to do more of a driving double but my wrestling coach blew my mind and i've never looked back.
Mine was more experimentation with the takedowns themselves. I don't know much wrestling but I seem to learn a lot of technique just by watching fights and the like. I took what I learned from watching wrestling (head and hand placement so as not to get choked to death) and combined it with what I know of judo/BJJ and added the motion/counter motion philosophy of it and found a technique that's far mroe successful than your standard double. Wasn't until I started training with wrestlers that i learned to "turn the corner" when I finish though.

Two of the minuses that you listed 'not as much momentum' and 'hard to follow up on' are easily overcome by little modifications. I find that having the right distance on your shot can give you TONS of penetration... and if you come to your feet smoothly (as opposed to swinging them from on one knee) you end up driving through just like the other style of takedown, albeit at an angle. Still less forward momentum, but not TOO much less.
I prefer planting my knee because it gives me a more solid base to stand back up if they defend it, so I'll sacrifice the little less forward momentum (which isn't needed as much with this as it's all about using leverage more so) to comepensate. Also, for my shot I go "Drop, shoot, drive" in three specific stages. The drop comes off usually a feint, the shot entails hand and head placement, the drive is me driving my weight right and my hands left. That's probably more of the reason I have less forward momentum than a standard double, too.

As for the follow up, my wrestling coach insists that you can 'double up on your shots.' As in shoot again immediately after you miss, rather than disengaging. I've seen him kill backpedaling with this, since his first shot takes him pretty close, and I've even seen him make sharp changes in direction for the second shot if the guy sidestepped.
For a standard driving double or a partially stuffed single this is true and it's one of the main advantages of those techniques. For mine, however, I prefer to disengage and set it up again since all of my forward momentum is hard to regain from that position and drive forward without losing base. With a double, your base is always on your feet and can be moved easily, but not so much with my knee planted. Once in a while if I REALLY want to take it down I will just bring my leg up and turn it into a driving double though. If I'm fairing well on the feet though, I'll just disengage and try again.

Unfortunately, I'm not a great wrestler and I often fail at both of those things, so those 'minuses' are applicable to my double legs too. There's plenty of times where I don't shoot deep enough so I have to work extra hard on the finish, and I'm not coordinated enough to double-shoot... yet.

But theoretically those weaknesses can be overcome!
All of those can be fixed with time! And if you find that one particular technique isn't working, DON'T BE AFRAID TO TRY IT DIFFERENT!!! Being stagnant and predictable in MMA is a sure fire way to get beaten!

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