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post #6 of (permalink) Old 08-19-2011, 03:37 AM
Fine Wine
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Location: Sydney
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Fedor was the greateset Pioneer of MMA. He didn't evolve and everybody knew that before his losses.

Kimbo Slice was a youtube St fighter. Everybody knew he was just that.

I wouldn't say they have been tarnished at all, except for those who believed something other than what they were.
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