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Bustamante: ‘Toquinho’ Stopped Because Miller Told Him To

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#1 ·
Could be true...who knows. One thing is for sure since there was no SOTN they both should be awarded FOTN!

Eleven months ago, Rousimar “Toquinho” Palhares’ decision to stop fighting mid-bout cost him dearly in a knockout loss to Nate Marquardt. Saturday night in Rio de Janeiro, history very nearly repeated itself.

According to the Brazilian middleweight’s trainer, however, Palhares’ actions in the first round of his UFC 134 contest with Dan Miller have been misinterpreted.

Unlike his September 2010 defeat at the hands of Marquardt -- which saw Palhares punched out after the submission specialist turned to referee Herb Dean and complained that Marquardt’s leg was slippery -- Brazilian Top Team leader Murilo Bustamante explained Sunday that Palhares’ premature celebration against Miller actually came as a result of mercy.

Saturday night at Rio’s HSBC Arena, a heavy right head kick from Palhares felled Miller with 40 seconds remaining in the opening frame. The dazed New Jerseyite covered up as Palhares connected with half a dozen punches from above before coolly striding away, his arms raised in victory. Palhares leapt atop the Octagon fence to soak in the adoration from his hometown crowd, but there was one problem: the referee -- Dean, coincidentally -- never called a stop to the bout.

“Just to clarify what happened during Toquinho’s fight,” Bustamante wrote on his personal Twitter account, “he told me that he stopped because his opponent said ‘stop, stop’ when he was punching him hard. Then, he stopped [hitting] him and thought that the fight was over and went to celebrate. Who can say now that ‘Toko’ isn’t a fair fighter? He is just too naive, but he has a big heart.”

Review of the fight video by Sherdog.com proved inconclusive: If Miller did verbally submit, it was drowned out on television by the roar of the Rio audience. But, as he beckoned Palhares down from the cage, referee Dean’s words were loud and clear: “I did not stop the fight. You have to keep fighting.”

And keep fighting they did. In a surprising turn, moments after touching gloves and resuming action, Toquinho found himself in a bad way, knocked down by a Miller combination. The Brazilian would regain his composure to finish the round with a takedown, though, and followed up with a dominant second period and a closer, but slower, third. Palhares wound up winning a lopsided unanimous decision with scores of 30-25, 30-27 and 29-27.

On Sunday, Bustamante offered no complaints about the non-stoppage, nor the extra 10 minutes of work his charge allegedly had to put in. However, the former UFC middleweight champion did take issue with the company naming a lightweight scrap between Edson Barboza and Ross Pearson the evening’s best bout.

“I think, as [with] everyone that watched the fight, that Toko should have won ‘Fight of the Night.’”
 
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#36 ·
I´ve re-watched the fight right now with the sound up there.

The only voice i can hear is Herb telling Dan to "Fight back",
besides, Dan's lips seem to not be moving at all during the beatdown.

Also, who thinks the fight should have been stopped at round 2? It was a f*****g massacre.
 
#39 ·
Yea for real, Herb is a double standards ref, he stopped the Nate/Palhares fair much less that what went down in that second round, in fact he stopped that fight for less than what Palhares gave Miller in the first round surrounding this incident, I don't trust his judgement at all, Herb is a Zuffa player and makes calls based on results the UFC wants to see, I truly believe he is on the Zuffa payroll, his reffing of late has been very suspect to raise the question is he favoring one fighter over the other.


Other examples aside from the Fedor stoppage when he could not wait to dive in there at the first opportunity, another example was the Jones/Shogun fight, I swear the gouging of the mouth and nose that Jones was puling on Shogun is illegal yet Herb let Jones get away with it, dont get me wrong I think Jones is that good a fighter he was winning that fight whatever, but Herb was on his side.

In fact I already said in another post, when you look closely at the second round, Miller was taking that beating with his eyes closed, I think he was trying to imagine he was somewhere else in order to cope with the pounding he was taking. seens to me Herb is happy to jump in and stop a fight if its the right result that the UFC wants, how he could let that continue after some of the stoppages I have seen him pull recently just proves a definite in balance in his judgement, I think he is a crooked ref on Zuffas payroll.
 
#44 ·
gauging has alwats been illegal, but just putting your hand over an opponents mouth hasn't been.... Until 2008. I just read up on it:

http://bleacherreport.com/articles/34945-mma-rule-changes-made-by-abc

"They also placed a ban on using the hand to smother an opponent. The days when we see competitors laying on the ground and the only action is covering the mouth and nose will be a thing of the past."
 
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#46 ·
Thank YOu, I knew I was right, Rogans commentary made me question myself during the fight about that rule, its illegal pain and simple and you just found exactly when the rule was brought into force, Rogan should have known better for calling it legal but that can be forgiven as for Herb Dean he should have dam well known better been in his position, and action should be taken against him for incompetence in doing his job at the very least.
 
#48 ·
You are allowed to cover the opponents mouth/nose area. I've seen it done hundreds of times and even hears Rogan comment on how it's a great way to unsettle breathing patterns.
That is BS Rogan was talking sh1t when he was saying that, he was ether unware of the rule chance that outlawed this action or was playing along trying to sell the illegal move to the public along with Herb Dean allowing this illegal action in order to give Jones an advantage,

If Rogan was unaware Herb dam well should not have been, but its there in writing just read the fuking link hellholming has posted, it was outlawed in 2008, any time since then you have seen it used like in the Jones/Shogun fight to was fcuking illegal.

Herb Dean is ether a fcuking dirty ref on Zuffas pay books or incompetent, ether way he should not be alowed back into the octagon and should be investigated for his actions.

And if he missed a verbal submission like this topic highlights that again is a fcuking unforgivable mistake and to add to the issue Miller got fcuking battered in that second round after the fight should have been over, if that is what happened Herb should never be allowed to ref again ever.

Weird I was sure I head Rogan comment on how its a good tactic...
Rogan did say that sh1t, you can forgive a commutator but not a ref. When it boils down the ref had the power to stop it from happening, the commutator could not do a dam thing about it only make the public aware of what was happening,
 
#55 ·
Sherdog comfirms that these changes happened

http://www.sherdog.com/news/news/Revamped-Rules-Expand-Weight-Divisions-13533

Smothering the mouth or nose of an opponent has been added to the Unified Rules' fouls list, prohibiting a fighter from using his hand to prevent his opponent's ability to breathe. According to the new verbiage, this does not include choke attempts where a fighter's mouth is covered by his opponent's arm
It talks of the same meeting on the same date reporting on a meeting that took place July 2008 where the rules of MMA where reviewed and changes where made.

Another quote from the Sherdog Artical

The amended document -- drafted by the ABC's MMA Chairman Dale Kliparchuk, New Jersey State Athletic Control Board Deputy Attorney Nick Lembo, ABC President Timothy Leuckenhoff, California State Athletic Commission Executive Officer Armando Garcia* and veteran referee "Big" John McCarthy -- primarily provided clarifications to the already existing Unified Rules instituted in April 2001 that serve as a regulatory beacon for the sport throughout North America
It all look very much above board to me, would be nice to see this amended document, could be the case the info we have online is out of date from the officials scores ikely do to lack of been assed to update the websitewe, but then its not like the ref and officals have to rely on the web to gain access to the rules,the fact is the refs will have access to the amened document snd should be upto date on the rules much more so than the general public, so whats on the web could be out of date from link posted prior to this.
 
#56 ·
well, the last link I posted is not out of date in reference to the changes made in 2008, since it was posted on July 30 2009.. However, the changes made in 2008 are not in there.
 
#57 ·
Like I say refs will not rely on what is posted on the web to inforce the rules of MMA, if this meeting took place and this rule chance was made it does not need to be added to there website to make it official.

Many MMA news sources reported on this meeting, Sherdog, MMAJunkie and loads of others if you look into it, its very likely this meeting did take place from what I can see and that this rule exists, I find it hard to believe that all these news scorses pulled this meeting out of there ass and added this rule in error, more so when other rules listed in the reports like the weight classes for example are correct and is now common knowledge, so why would this be wrong?
 
#59 ·
I am willing to bet its right, and unless there has been an amendment since that rules out this chance then its stands, and I can't see why they would rule out this rule it would not make sense for them to do so since lets be real that technique is cheap and suck ass and deserved to be outlawed.
 
#61 ·
Almost all the rules changes from that ABC meeting were rejected. Not just by the UFC either, but by influential commissions, several of whom weren't even represented at Montreal. Downward elbows as fouls are still there, the "headphone" definition of the back of the head was rejected and the mohawk rule was replaced with a hybrid definition, weight classes didn't change, and you can still smother people.

Discussion and review of unified rules of MMA, presented to ABC, 7-30-09

ABC Montreal 2008


At this convention, a document proposing amendments to the Unified Rules was released to the membership. This document included controversial topics such as drastic weight class changes and liberalizing permissible elbow strikes, among other changes. After the conclusion of the convention, the ABC’s President, Tim Lueckenhoff, formed this Committee to review the original unified rules and the amendments proposed in Montreal.
They made many changes to the Montreal rules, and then their recommendations were accepted at the July 2009 ABC meetings.
 
#67 ·
Audio Technika's man, best headphones ever.

I played it 5 times and heard fight back every time.

I was worried mainly about the people who said they couldn't hear any words at all lol
 
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