Originally Posted by xeberus
Also about that gun stuff. I saw a number 60,000 and im not sure what it represents. Here in america the total number of gun related deaths per year are around 30,000 (according to the CDC). But you have to keep in mind that these include all gun related suicides, killing yourself via gun is very popular here in america. In fact it accounts for 17-18,000 of that 30,000 I mentioned. Then you look at the people cops shot(around 400) , accidentally shot (around 700) etc. Basically 12,000 is the number we're left with of people who shoot and kill someone on purpose every year in america.
I'm not sure how well you guys are at gauging risk, but just as a comparison you're 4 times more likely to die in a car wreck than getting shot. Three times more likely to die from being poisoned, twice as likely to die from an "unintentional fall". Some of these might sound about right but how about these two: you're hundreds of times more likely to die from eating fast food or smoking cigarettes than you are from being shot. You don't even have to smoke, you're 4 times more likely to die from second hand smoke than from being shot.
~Lists of the top 10 things that kill men~
So relatively speaking things that are far more likely to kill you in america rather than being shot: fast food, cigarettes, alcohol, second hand smoke, driving a car, poisoning, falling, cancers.... Theres a lot.
I'm not going to start an argument here, just a remark: The difference between those other ways of killing and guns is that the first onces are not avoidable or self inflicted. People need their cars to go to their jobs to sustain their living. Falling is unintentionally - and it's quite hard to prevent accidents, with poisoning I guess it's also unintentionally self-poisoning meant, living unhealthy (fast food/smoking) and dying by it is your own choice. Against second hand smoking THERE ARE LAWS (i.e no smoking allowed in restaurants etc.).
Gun killings on the other hand (counting out the suicides) are inflicted by other people who probably mostly don't need their guns for their living (like rangers, cops etc.).
So while you may have a point concerning the quantity in comparison, but you don't have one concerning the quality.