I think its amazing anyone calls either humiliating. Nobody in the forum will have a career like either guy and I think talking about either is in bad taste. Bunch of arm chair fighters indeed. Chuck got Koed swingin. BJ needed to drop weight. Neither ever had bad fights per say and both always fought top competition. It is what it is. But I would never say either ended in humiliation. Tim Sylvia if anyone. Chuck and BJ never let themselves go to to a ridiculous weight or left the UFC to get destroyed.