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Old 01-17-2013, 04:31 AM   #72 (permalink)
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Originally Posted by PheelGoodInc View Post
This is the kind of thing that cracks me up. THERE IS NO ONE REACTION TO HOW A PERSON HANDLES GRIEF. This is something I've learned from personal experience, and something I've seen first hand in law enforcement. I've told parents their kids were dead. I've seen reactions of parents, grandparents, and siblings. Everyone deals with their grief in their own way.
Really? You've seen people who react to the death of their kids with a smug smirk, followed by "we ready to start? k" and a sudden fake looking transformation into a choking speech without a single tear? Have you ever actually seen someone SMIRKING right before giving a funeral speech and then suddenly deliberately trying to be somber and sad again for the audience when they go on stage?

I haven't.

Why does he have change right before the speech? If you're coping, then keep coping, why suddenly try to change when the cameras are ready?

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The mere fact that this guy is supposedly an actor for the CIA or something of that sort simply because he laughed, and then began crying THE SECOND HE STARTED TALKING ABOUT HIS DEAD CHILD is beyond stupid.
He DIDN'T CRY. That's the point. Not when he started talking about his dead child, not when he continually plugs his charity for funeral expenses, and not when he talks about gun control. Not once. He hyperventilates, makes a choky voice, but that's it. That's how far any of them go.

And you're the one with the condescending tone here, continually calling me and my viewpoint "beyond stupid" without even looking at the videos. Weren't you complaining about smugness and arrogance from conspiracy theorists just a few posts ago?

Watch the Columbine video Oordeel posted. How many distraught and shocked people do you see crying? How many of those witnesses and students do you see smirking or laughing? How many medical examiners do you see laughing? In the 9/11 videos? Keep in mind those were actual tragedies, whether or not 9/11 was a false flag done by govt collusion, it was still real and the deaths were real.

This was an outright hoax, because frankly it seems they couldn't find or wait for anyone sick enough to actually do something like this to push their agenda, so they did the next best thing. Pretend. It works just as well apparently.

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Re-read what I posted. He asked if they were ready to start the conference, not if they were filming. How the hell does the guy who made the video know if he realizes they are filming or not? Did it occur to anyone that perhaps he knew they were filming all along? Also, the guy who made the video calls his laughing "getting into character". Yet there is no one way to get into character. A lot of actors get into the mood of the character they are going to play long before they actually start. This guy did the opposite of that.
Cmon, It's not a big jump from "is the conference ready?" to "are the cameras rolling and on me?". He calls it getting into character because that's exactly what it looks like. Real people don't try to force sadness after casually joking.

IMO you're really grasping at straws here, who're you trying to convince? Me or yourself?

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I appreciate it, but I'm not looking for consolation. This was a while ago now. I'm merely using it as an example. I bring it up because one of my friends later asked me how I could be laughing and joking with my dead fathers body literally right behind me.

My brother was the exact opposite. He was inconsolable, as was my mother. EVERYONE DEALS WITH GRIEF IN THEIR OWN WAY. There is no certain one way you must handle a bad situation. To say these guys are actors because they dealt with their tragedy in a way YOU don't approve of is incredibly insensitive and disrespectful towards their family and deceased loved ones.
Exactly, you may have been among the stoic souls who try to move on sooner, but there are always some who will react the usual way, with tears and grief. WHY ISN'T THERE EVEN A SINGLE ONE HERE? Even one?

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So what are you trying to say? No one actually died? All parents, family, and siblings of all supposed dead kids are now actors?
Yes, no one actually died. No, the supposed dead kids are not actors, their parents / guardians / childen's home caretakers probably are and they put them up to it. They were fed lines. That's why there's so few, and none actually on the scene. I don't know who they are or where they are now, maybe they're kids of CIA or govt. ops guys, who knows. Maybe you find it hard to believe the American govt. using kids for propaganda, but Hitler and Stalin did it all the time.

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So, now the local law enforcement who responded to this scene are in on it too right? The other teachers in the school who lost their friends? The school administrators? In the sheer amount of people it would take to pull off such a horrific conspiracy, wouldn't just one or two of those people come forward with guilt? I'm thinking yes. There is no theory.
Not if the entire town is a govt. creation. And there are some questions about the chief as well:

http://crimeinchicago.blogspot.in/20...r-newtown.html

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I am not going to search dozens of videos on youtube. I just won't spend the insane amount of time over such an obvious bullshit theory. I used to go back and forth for hours with 9/11 theories. One thing I found is that even after proving them wrong beyond a shadow of a doubt, they still denied. Nothing can get through to these people.
They would say the same for you. If you won't even examine their claims and are ready to reject them before they even start, then you're the one who's not letting anything get through to you. On the contrary I'm taking everything you're saying and discussing it point by point.

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Sure. They probably wanted help with funeral costs, obviously. I've seen families at each others throats over a deceased loved ones money an hour after it happens. The fact is, not everyone is going to live out this picture perfect idea of what "grieving" means... especially to conspiracy theorist (who will deny anything and everything). Maybe they were trying to get their minds off of it. I don't really know. At the end of the day, it was their kids who died. I'm not going to question their actions and bring more pain into their lives than is already there.
Really? A middle class well to do family needs an entire public charity for funeral expenses nowadays? REALLY? How much do these things run nowadays and why isn't every middle class family starting a charity for every person they ever lose? Are funerals for tragedies 100x more expensive or is the rest of America rolling in riches compared to Newtown?

Even if they don't have enough money for a small ceremony themselves which is highly unlikely, you don't think neighbors, friends and THE PRESIDENT chipping in is enough?

This isn't like Hurricane Katrina or Sandy, I just don't see where the money goes.

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No, I didn't make it that far.
You don't have to, it's a nice short one for you I got right here that cuts to the chase. PLEASE, if you want to discuss further with me watch this. It's ridiculous.



Can you please tell me why the Chief Medical Examiner sounds like a Schizophrenic? Why he doesn't know the caliber of the bullets, the clothes the kids were wearing (duuuhhhh .. kid's stuff), the number of boys and girls, the gun used etc. Why he is laughing and doesn't even seem to care. CAN SOMEONE PLEASE TELL ME WHAT IN THE WORLD HE WAS "EXAMINING" FOR FOUR HOURS WHEN HE DOESN'T SEEM TO KNOW A DAMN THING?
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