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Old 04-24-2007, 10:20 PM   #6 (permalink)
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I saw this thread and wondered if this was a question or what. I looked and it seemed basic, but against a good grappler it's not that easy to stay off the ground and out of trouble, because a good grappler knows how to handle these styles.

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Originally Posted by David mma
1. work on throwing those knees or uppercuts to the head when they are going for a leg take down. throw hooks and uppercuts when they are trying to clinch. in some cases you can throw a knee and sprawl at the same time.
Only straight wrestlers with bad chins seem to be getting KO'd by anything less than a flying knee, but if an opponent ever throws knees during a shot, they are feeding you a handle. As long as you are a aware of what they are doing, you can take advantage of that and take their balance away by pulling on the knee to make it even easier to land that double leg.

When wrestlers get an opponent up against the cage, they handle it by pullig the legs away from the cage. If you get both (or even just one) legs then you can pull back so that you don't get hit with a knee and you'll pull your opponent's center of gravity out from underthem and end in exactly the same way as the double leg. Though the momentum moving backwards makes it a little bit harder to get that leapfrog guard pass or start throwing strikes right away.

In the full body clinch if you close the distance really tight it's very difficult for your opponent to do any sort of real damage, you just have to be sure to close that distance really quickly. Once you close the distance and put the clinch on, it's pretty difficult for them to do any serious damage.


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2. shift your body weight so you have a lower stance and lower center of gravity, like chuck liddell. he has that stance because its easier to sprawl, harder for the grappler to take you down,and you can throw your punches right at the grappler without having to worry about them ducking under them.
Go for the clinch instead. While the lower stance makes it easier to sprawl and keep the legs away from your opponent, it doesn't make it any more difficult to get the clinch.

The lower stance also tends to have the legs a little bit farther apart and the knees a little bit more bent, which makes them alot more vulnerable to leg kicks. Once you land a good number of solid legs kicks, they'll start to straighten the legs out.


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3. make sure you work on your foot movement,always keep moving and circling around. grappling is a very linear art, they need to charge at you straight ahead to get you down. so if you are on the offensive move side to side and lightly forward ( not too much or you over commit and get taken down), but when you are setting things up you need to circle around the ring to make sure they dont take you down
Grappling really isn't a linear art, and most good wrestler and judoka work with angles as much as strikers do. The linear parts of wrestling are the leg takedowns, but that's not everyone's forte.

When an opponent is circling around, they usually turn their shoulders so that the front shoulder faces you a little bit more. If they do this, they are basically setting themselves up for a leg-trip.

Again, lots of lateral movement is a great setup for the leg kick because they move their body into it and can't check the kick because they are in motion. Eventually, the leg kicks slow down or eliminate that lateral movement altogether.

When an opponent circles to much, the real key is to make them feel as though they are backing up. If they are moving around as they are striking it is hard for them to look like, or feel like, the aggressor. The real key with taking advantage of this is to make them feel like they are being attacked, make them worry about your game and they will look bad to the judges and they will feel uncomfortable, which leads to them making mistakes.


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4. work on getting back up, not enough MMA fighters work on this techneque. if you cannot submit the grappler that gets you down, all is going to happen is they are going to keep hitting you in the face and win the fight, you will continue to lose rounds if they take you down. so when you get taken down dont worry about being in the guard the whole time, get back up. look at Liddells fights when he gets up. you have to give up position and scramble up, and that means unlocking guard. if you plan on winning you have to work on getting up from off the ground.
This is a good point, but good strong grapplers know that the key is to be the aggressor on the ground. Once you are in a top position on the ground, especially against a striker, it is really difficult for your opponent to get up even when your weight isn't entirely on them.

In order to keep an opponent down all that you need to work on is position control, but it is also important to know what takedowns are set up easily when an opponent pulls away and tries to get up. Leg takedowns are best for this, because the grappler is low to the ground and the striker trying to standup is often too concerned with getting up to think about dropping their body by sprawling.

Also a full body lock and just dragging your opponent back down to the mat is easy in the early stages while they're standing up, because the weight of your body is heavy enough, the force is enough and they have enough trouble balancing that they cannot really take the time to get their balance back and they end up on their back again.

Good post, repped, and they are definitely good things for strikers to consider, but no approach is unstoppable.
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