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Old 02-05-2013, 05:50 PM   #202 (permalink)
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Originally Posted by Liddellianenko View Post
I don't think Alex Jones or HP are the most reliable or truly independent either. I mentioned earlier in this thread that I also believe Jones is a commercial fearmonger that's out to sell stuff, but my point was to debunk your claim that no "conspiracy theorist" gathers their own info or sends out their own journalist.
Well my claim was they didn't send out any investigative journalists, which so far as I can tell, is still true. If you think combing through other media outlets and picking bits and pieces qualifies as that, well then we just disagree on it.

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Unfortunately many of the ones that IMO are completely spot on like Aaron Russo suffer untimely deaths from Cancer etc. Russo also conducted many personal interviews and investigative journalism. Another good documentary with it's own interviews and journalistic / investigative material is the "Inside Job" with Matt Damon as the interviewer, that delves into the banking / financial crisis side of things.
He had it for six years and he was in his 60's, not really untimely. I did like Inside Job and I wish those people at the big investment firms/banks/etc would have some sort of justice served to them.

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Operation Northwoods was submitted to the freaking president of the USA. The fact that it made it all the way to the top means it was far from "preliminary". Preliminary means discussed in a CIA board room somewhere and someone laughing it off. Submitting signed and endorsed by ALL THREE CHIEFS (again, let me belabor this point) is preliminary for no one but govt. apologists like you or Pheel. If Kennedy had not had a conscience it would have been implemented sooner than he could blink. Unfortunately he did, so he died instead.

Yeah it was 30+ years ago, so what? What has changed since then? Was anyone fired? Reprimanded? Even transferred? Were any establishment/constitutional/authority changes made? The entire machinery continued exactly as it did, the only thing that changed was that the guy who disapproved it died, and you think something is magically different in those 30+ years?


The govt. released it because they had to. There was an independent govt. commission set up to look into the Kennedy affair because something this big they just couldn't brush under the carpet, and everything submitted to him was brought under the scanner whether the CIA/Military liked it or not. They didn't release it because they wanted to or were being nice, as you are amusingly trying to imply.
I agree it was messed up and people should have had consequences and they didn't. At the end of the day though, the checks and balances prevailed.
As for releasing documents, it is very easy to not release them. Try to do a FOIA request on any agency and see what you get. The folks holding the documents have more than ample time to manipulate them, shred/delete them or redact all the meaning out.

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And not everyone in the entire govt. is evil or easily bought, it's not as simple or black and white as that ... there are some good honest people in congress, govt., military, FBI, commissions, even mainstream media etc. that try to do their job, but the only ones they need to corrupt or manipulate into position are the handful at the top ... prez, CIA chiefs, military chiefs and so on. That is why they had to release stuff to the commission, because they couldn't corrupt everyone on it.
Agreed, a lot of good ole boy networking and above the law mentality about spending $$ for hook-ups to contract friends or all the personal travel, hookers, and lots of vices on our dime. GSA scandal was the most recent but what can you do to people who have a higher chance of dieing of natural causes at work than of being fired for those past the 2-3 year probational period?

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What do I think happened at Sandy Hook? The whole damn thing was staged. Guys like the incompetent Chief Medical Examiner, police chiefs etc. of that town slowly promoted and brought to their position by govt./CIA favors, approval and planning, so one day they could repay the favor. If they squeal, they are discredited or they die, not like people that scummy or committed would be likely to squeal anyway. People like that are slowly tied in to schemes, their loyalties tested in smaller things before they are set up for something as big as this.

The school and staff ... dunno if the school was even real or some sort of fake thing that the town just never looked into. The parents, bought and paid actors or CIA ops. Plus hey, they get bonus "charity funeral money", for those expensive solid gold casks and stuff they need! Again, who sets up entire public charities a day after their child's death for "funeral expenses"?
Just too far fetched for me to believe but thanks for at least showing your opinion.
Usually whenever there is a tragic loss of life, there is a charity to follow. You are the one implying gold casks, which is pretty much slandering someone who's shoes I hope you never have to be in.
I personally didn't think the medical examiner seemed incompetent in his interview, why do you? I mean the guy isn't going to be John Grism or whoever that NCIS person was but he didn't say anything that wasn't factual to what he witnessed.

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I'm not saying I know all the details, but if they figured they could do it for Operation Northwoods staging attacks like this ALL OVER THE COUNTRY, you don't think they are confident of pulling something like this off in a dinky little town in Connecticut?
Northwood didn't involve killing US citizens and was to combat a perceived enemy nation near our borders. Killing children to increase the likely-hood of stricter gun control laws is to much of a connection for me to draw.
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