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post #17 of (permalink) Old 11-09-2013, 01:00 PM
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Originally Posted by CupCake View Post
a Neck Crank.
Originally Posted by oldfan View Post
I believe that is a neck crank from a scarf hold. Not even remotely similar to the choke that Carlos Newton put on Pat Militich.
If you can call that a neck crank. He was caught in kesa gatame in I believe Japanese (judo) or a scarf hold in english (sambo and I think some jiu jitsu though its not as prevalent in JJ because they feel its too easy to get your back taken.) It is a heavy position and you donr feel like you can move at all but its pretty far from a submission to anyone who's felt it. No one with any kind of experience is going to tap in that position. Because the force while unfomfortable isn't overwhelming. If he tapped to anything it was a smother not a crank. It looked more to me like CC had just never been in that position and the weight in his chest was heavy and he tapped because he thought he was in more trouble than he was.

Fyi Kesa Gatatme is pronounced like "case-ah katami."

Originally Posted by CupCake View Post
Newton/Miletich was a Bulldog Choke wasn't it? Kinda like a headlock but more under the neck than around the ears.
Originally Posted by oldfan View Post
Exactly. I was trying to think of what to call it. Bulldog works.
Yes, Newton caught Pat in what catch wrestlers would call a bulldog choke. It's a pretry brutal choke essentially a reverse gullitone. Which is nothing at all like a scarfhold/kesa gatame.

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