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Originally Posted by jdun11
Did you watch any of the fights this past weekend?? Im pretty sure Machida beat Sokky with his GRAPPLING not striking. He is a good striker but I dont think he would be able to deal with Chuck when he is on.
What makes you believe Kid is the better wrestler?? Cuz he made the Japanese Olympic team?? I dont know how many times Ive said this but American wrestling is way more competitive than it is in Japan.
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Actually, Lyoto beat Sokky standing just as bad as he did on the ground, it just so happened he finished the fight on the ground, which kinda shows that this dude is serious on the ground and can take down even one of the best Judokas.
Uh dude, the Japanese are actually very serious with their wrestling, plus, how does it make sense for you to compare Japanese wrestling to American? US has probably the best and most competitive, but Japan is also up there with the leaders. But that doesn't necessarily mean that Faber has aquired the best of American wrestling, wheres his credentials? Atleast KID has some. Plus, as kds13 said, he learned his shit in the US, so wheres your point?
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You just made my point for me. Kid is TINY!! Faber is too strong and his cardio would eventually win him the fight. BTW Faber finished Curran in the 2nd round. When did Kid finish him? Oh ya I forgot. He didnt.
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I think you should go watch Ishida vs Melendez, you know from this weekend. You can see that the MUCH smaller guy absolutely tooled the bigger dude in the grappling dept.
And believe me, height has nothing to do with strength.
What does finishing a fight have anything to do with skill or how the entirity of the fight will turn out? Randy barely ever finishes a fight, and hes considered god, Houston Alexander has more finishes than Couture, is H.A better?
And how can you seriously compare a resume of 21-5 to 12-0? Come on, you need a better argument than that...
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Ya he was mauling tomato cans. Only solid wins are Genki and Curran.
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Caol Uno is no can
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Ok ok, you guys might have won me over a lil bit on the Chuck/Lyoto fight. Im not saying Machida would win but you guys made some good points and made me think. Chuck has never really faught a technical striker though. I consider Overeem to be the best and most technical striker in LHW division and Chuck KO'd him. He has a totally different style than Lyoto but still thats an impressive win for Chuck. Its one that often gets overlooked.
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Guy Mezger is a technical striker, as is Overeem and Rampage.
And as mentioned, Overeem was tooling Chuck before the over-hand right.
In fact, I think all of those guys are much more technical than Chuck.
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Ehh, Rampage is more of a brawler. He has nice hands but I dont think he is very technical.
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WHAT, what the hell are you talking about. Rampage has some of the best boxing in the division, and his had that for a while!. How many fights can you name that he has just swung for the fences with no regard for defense and technicality?
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Im not saying Rampage isnt a good striker. He is a very good striker. But I just dont think of him as being a technician. I put him more along the line of Lawler, Wandy, Baroni, Liddell type of striker. I consider technical strikers to be guys like Anderson, Machida, Stout, Crocop.
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You've got to be kidding me, so all Rampage does is through loopy hooks and dumb straights? Come on how can you compare Rampage and Wandy's boxing. Wandy has almost NO boxing skills.
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That fight went WAYYY longer than I thought it was gonna. I didnt see anyway Yahya could beat Kid. It was just a horrible matchup for him. But he did alot better than I thought he could.
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So what, the fight went longer than you wanted it, how does KID suck for that? Do you want me to name all the great fighters bouts that went the limit or do you catch my drift?
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I thought he looked a little rusty. If he faught Faber that night, Faber beats him.
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Man who actually didn't look rusty that night. I think the crispest fighter that night was Ishida of all people.
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On paper you breakdown makes 100% sense. But its isnt always clear cut. For instance Curran is better at bjj than Faber but Faber submitted him. And in the Randy/Tim fight, Tim is obviously the better striker but Randy outstruck him. I just think Faber gives you so much to worry about that it poses alot of problems. Throw in the fact that he is a cardio freak and I see Faber winning this fight. I have no idea how it would go I just think he finds a way to win.
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Paper-break downs mean shit, therefore, all your talk about how Faber is a better wrestler and much stronger, yada yada, doesnt mean shit till the fight happens. You never know, it could be a 1 punch KO from either dude, or a 15 dry humping session. Such strong assumptions are idiotic when the fight is no where near happening.
I still love ya though...