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i apologize i was off on the wins total and i agree Ortiz is a house hold name; however i feel Ortiz has no proven himself as a legitmate contender by fighting Shamrock 3 times. Now i know Dana is thinking about the paycheck in this one because realisticly i think a rematch between Forrest and Ortiz was in order before Ortiz and Chuck.
PS the only problem i see with my opinion is no one else has established themselves as a contender in the Light Heavy Weight division.
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