I agree a million % with Octagon girl about Shamrock. He definatly just went through the motions for another crack at Ortiz. The fight, should've been stopped ( unfortunatly ) as hard as that is for me to admit because I love Shamrock. The elbows don't have to hurt, they just have to go un-answered. No other fighter would be given different treatment by the referee. The only thing this fight did for me was change my mind about Ken. When ya really think about it, a record of 26 - 10 - 2 ( going into Ken vs. Tito - II ) really ain't that good. Somebody remind me why he's a hall of famer???