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I don't really care who said what first. This isn't the 3rd grade and people should be old enough to know that it doesn't fly anymore.

This is your only warning since now you have once again insulted someone. Another insult and you will be infracted. After that, it will be a ban.

That goes for everyone. If you can't get along here without insulting people then you don't need to be here.


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I haven't seen the other comments around here you are referring to but I think you are overreacting taking it out on me. I've been actively posting all day until someone directly came at me for no reason. But seems like I'm taking some heat for something done elsewhere not by me. I won't insult him again because I like posting here. But I think threatening to ban me is going a bit far.
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I haven't seen the other comments around here you are referring to but I think you are overreacting taking it out on me. I've been actively posting all day until someone directly came at me for no reason. But seems like I'm taking some heat for something done elsewhere not by me. I won't insult him again because I like posting here. But I think threatening to ban me is going a bit far.
1. My first post was a general statement to both of you, not just you. And then you quoted me and threw another insult right after I said to stop insulting people.

2. I also didn't say I was going to flat out ban you. I gave you a verbal warning, said if it didn't stop it would be an infraction and anything further than that would be a ban.


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When people who straight up don't even watch Bellator and will tell you that arrive in threads like this for no other reason then to talk down about what is happening outside the UFC in the world of MMA, I observe an opinion that might of been formed out of ignorance. I think that can lead to problems with some who don't like people communicating what they observe in these types of conversations contributions on the matter.

I like MMA less because of this forum
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Ben Askren has been the bellator champ for years. He's been fighting in the organization for even longer.

Hector Lombard can say the same.

Now, get this...

Ben Askren never faced decent competition until he fought Jay Hieron.

Hector Lombard never faced decent competition until he fought in the UFC.

That's because Bellator isn't in the business of building an organization with the best fighters and the best quality opponents.

Its in the business of feeding Askren, Lombard and most of their other champions cans. They feed prospects a series of mismatches to make them look more skillful and exciting than they actually are.

Then when their prospects like Askren face a decent level of competition in the form of Jay Hieron -- they get exposed. They never faced real competition in their careers and never competed at that level. They're completely unprepared for it.

It figures Sports Nerd and OU wouldn't get that.

You two aren't the brightest bulbs on the christmas tree.
Nuh uh, you're changing your argument there.

It's true that Askren and and Lombard have faced very little UFC caliber competition. But that's because most of the UFC caliber competition, especially at the higher weight classes, is in the UFC.

Your original statement, which isn't logically supported by this argument at all, was that Bellator was feeding these fighters "mismatches" and "cans" in order to build them up. if you want to support that statement rationally, you'll have to point to a fighter that was on the Bellator roster or available to them, and for some reason didn't make it to the tournament.
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1. My first post was a general statement to both of you, not just you. And then you quoted me and threw another insult right after I said to stop insulting people.

2. I also didn't say I was going to flat out ban you. I gave you a verbal warning, said if it didn't stop it would be an infraction and anything further than that would be a ban.


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Fine. Let's move on. I've been posting all day until this crap got thrown at me. That's first time anyone has ever thrown a warning at me directly and I just don't appreciate it. Now, back to posting.
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LOL please. I'm sorry you are stuck up Dana White's ass so far you think anyone without the magic 3 letters on the gloves are scrubs. But those of us that actually watch the sport of MMA(you probably refer to the sport as UFC) can see there are clearly world class fighters outside the UFC that are better then the majority of guys currently in the UFC. I'm sorry you can't grasp this concept. Half of the best smaller weight fighters(below LW) are not in the UFC.
But then again it's much easier to echo Dana White with "Just Bleed" written on your forehead.
1. If someone disagrees with you & cites valid reasons for it.
2. Stereotype them as being a "casual" mma fan?



If you're going to disagree, you might try responding to what I said, as opposed to fabricating a fairytale caricature that doesn't even exist.

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You and Trix are both wrong. Hit is right, it's absolutely pathetic that some people around here seriously cannot get into a debate without throwing insults back at each other or insinuating that the other person isn't a "true MMA fan".

This kind of stuff is being put to a stop around here. Don't reply to someone if you can't be civil, that goes for both of you and everyone else.
If I were a mod, I would say: "let him say whatever he wants". I won't be offended or upset over anything he types on a message board.

If I did cross a line by saying he isn't the brightest lightbulb, I apologize for that. I'll avoid that type of thing in the future.

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Nuh uh, you're changing your argument there.

It's true that Askren and and Lombard have faced very little UFC caliber competition. But that's because most of the UFC caliber competition, especially at the higher weight classes, is in the UFC.

Your original statement, which isn't logically supported by this argument at all, was that Bellator was feeding these fighters "mismatches" and "cans" in order to build them up. if you want to support that statement rationally, you'll have to point to a fighter that was on the Bellator roster or available to them, and for some reason didn't make it to the tournament.
Hehehe.

Would Bellator bring Jon Fitch to their organization to create a deeper welterweight division?

What about Yushin Okami or any of the UFC's recent firings?

Do they find the best fighters of each division and try to put on the best fights. Or, do they have a select few big names with a drastically lower level of competition to set them against?

I'll give you a hint. Cheick Kongo and Lavar Johnson are the only fighters they picked up. And they only did that because they lack heavyweights with notoriety.

For them its not about having stacked divisions. Its about targeting one or two big names for each division and then avoiding having them fight real competition.

Bellator doesn't have a stacked roster. They avoid bringing in big names who might upset their select few number of stars.

This is why their finish rates are so high, and the fights seem so "exciting". Its because there are a few fighters with skill and the rest are cans. The skillset disparity leads to people being blown out of the water 10 seconds into the first or second round on a regular basis.
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Hehehe.

Would Bellator bring Jon Fitch to their organization to create a deeper welterweight division?

Do they find the best fighters of each division and try to put on the best fights. Or, do they have a select few big names with a drastically lower level of competition to set them against?

Bellator doesn't have a stacked roster. They avoid bringing in big names who might upset their select few number of stars.

This is why their finish rates are so high, and the fights seem so "exciting". Its because there are a few fighters with skill and the rest are cans, and the skillset disparity leads to people being blown out of the water 10 seconds into the first or second round on a regular basis.
Jon Fitch, yeah, he's a good fighter. remind me again how he became available to Bellator?

Oh yeah, because the UFC cut him. even though he was widely considered one of the top WWs in the world at the time. Guess they don't want the best fighters either.

Or maybe he carries a price tag that he just isn't worth, especially to an organization that would have to market a fight between him and Askren.

He was also cut pretty recently. Askren has had only one fight since. You're grasping at straws.

ETA: Yushin Okami is a better example. We'll see what happens with him. But the fact remaind that the UFC cut him for their own reasons. And Bellator might have similar reasons for not signing him. if you want to point to a difference between Bellator and the UFC, you'll have to do better than a fighter neither organization wants.
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I think not bringing in a guy like Fitch is more to do with them not wanting some UFC reject dominating there WW division.
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Jon Fitch, yeah, he's a good fighter. remind me again how he became available to Bellator?

Oh yeah, because the UFC cut him. even though he was widely considered one of the top WWs in the world at the time. Guess they don't want the best fighters either.

Or maybe he carries a price tag that he just isn't worth, especially to an organization that would have to market a fight between him and Askren.

He was also cut pretty recently. Askren has had only one fight since. You're grasping at straws.

ETA: Yushin Okami is a better example. We'll see what happens with him. But the fact remaind that the UFC cut him for their own reasons. And Bellator might have similar reasons for not signing him. if you want to point to a difference between Bellator and the UFC, you'll have to do better than a fighter neither organization wants.
Fitch isn't the only one who was cut.

Bellator only makes fights they feel confident their champions will win. They avoid bringing in anyone they who might upset their hand picked prospects.

If the above were true, would it mean Bellator does things completely opposite of how the UFC does. They're more about mismatches and feeding than they are having as deep a weight class as possible.

You might also respond to bellators high finish rate.

Are an abnormal amount of finishes an indication of high skill, or fights that are mismatches?

Go here:

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_Bellator_events

Look at bellators cards.

Then here:

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_UFC_events

Bellators finish rate, is much much higher.

Is it because Ben Askren is a better fighter than GSP.

Or is it because GSP and UFC fighters are competing against higher level competition who are more difficult to finish?

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Sorry if I killed peoples "Bellator is better than UFC" fandom boners.

Yaall need Fedor.
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When people who straight up don't even watch Bellator and will tell you that arrive in threads like this for no other reason then to talk down about what is happening outside the UFC in the world of MMA, I observe an opinion that might of been formed out of ignorance. I think that can lead to problems with some who don't like people communicating what they observe in these types of conversations contributions on the matter.
Whenever I watch bellator I tend to agree with Trix. Same thing with strikeforce, they had entertaining cards but it was mainly due to the drastic mismatches in skills. Not to say one guy was awful and the other a world beater, more both org. Outside of the ufc are filled with one dimensional fighters, so matching a striker with no bjj against a black belt, so it is more likely there will be a finish regardless of who wins, either a take down and sub or a KO.

I've said this before as well, I often feel like bellator is a clear down grade in product, not just the fighters either but just the whole thing, it feels very much like the ufc did not too long ago, with all the blood spats and nu-metal. It's still seems to be catering to the just bleed casual fan, ironically, it is only generally getting the hardcore.

I enjoy bellator but honestly sometimes I feel like the production is higher on an axis Tv show like mfc. WSOF is not too bad either, though it doesn't really have the highest sample size.

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