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View Poll Results: Who wins the welterweight title fight?
Ben Askren 3 100.00%
Jay Hieron 0 0%
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post #11 of 21 (permalink) Old 10-30-2011, 04:00 PM
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I thought Askren clearly won the middle 3 rounds. Wasn't the best fight i've ever seen though.



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I thought Askren clearly won the middle 3 rounds. Wasn't the best fight i've ever seen though.
It was a very close fight and it wouldnt have been a robbery either way.
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Yeah, close fights are that way.

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I just watched this fight and I am sad that I did. Askren is horrible. He has literally no striking ability what so ever. And his wrestling just isn't enough to make up for it. Not against anyone higher up in the food chain than Hieron. Hell the few times Hieron tried to get back up he did so with virtually no trouble.

Just a sad, sad fight.

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Well obviously Asken had a very down day. He could probably rebound though.

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He's going to rebound from not being that good? His striking started off awful and has not improved. At all. His technical wrestling is fine but his submission grappling is not and he is still making a lot of rookie mistakes. And he has no ability to set up his takedowns because he can't threaten on his feet.

How do you rebound from that?

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Well obviously he's going to improve. This match made him realize where he's lacking. He is going to work on those things.

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Really? Because he was lacking all of those attributes in his other fights and he has not gotten even a tiny bit better at any of it so far. What evidence do you have that he's actually going to get better?

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I don't. I'm just hoping that he will improve. He's clearly not a lay and pray wrestler though.

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Actually he very clearly is. He doesn't go for submissions unless they gift wrap it for him. He doesn't use GnP. All he does is transition viciously over and over again. Admittedly it is the most vicious transitioning I have ever seen but it's not actually doing anything other than making him look busy so the ref doesn't stand him because he really wants nothing to do with that whole scene.

That is pretty much the definition of a lay and prayer.

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