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Peak Experience 11-16-2012 06:14 AM

What do you learn from this?
 
Let's say you were attacked on the street once and were paralyzed. Then you start practicing several martial arts for year. Then you are attacked again on the street and are paralyzed again.

What do you learn from this? That practicing martial arts is useless shit?

Yes. The guy is me. Except that I am - being 5'11 - not that small.

And while trying to figure out why I still freeze I investigate what I did to counter that issue.

Writing that in forums leaves people with the conclusion I was weak mentally, which is not helping obviously.

But the art, whose task it is to prepare you physically and mentally couldn't be flawed, is what they say. They are too dependent on their art to be flawless as they are not sure about this aspect of their art themselves.

It usually goes like this: The art is not flawed, you are, go to a therapist is what forum members say. Therapist says, you are flawed and I want to help you by making you weaker(sic). Forum members say, so you were at a therapist's and he couldn't help you. You are such a freak.

Yes ma is flawed as I followed it's rules but I didn't get the result it promised. So the question is: Why is this so?

Couchwarrior 11-16-2012 11:29 AM

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Originally Posted by Peak Experience (Post 1647728)
What do you learn from this?

That the street is dangerous..?

Also, if I didn't known it already, I would probably learn that it's damn hard to get back your motor skills after being paralyzed.

Why are you asking?

Peak Experience 11-16-2012 02:06 PM

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Originally Posted by Couchwarrior (Post 1647789)
That the street is dangerous..?

Also, if I didn't known it already, I would probably learn that it's damn hard to get back your motor skills after being paralyzed.

Why are you asking?

1. I am talking about being paralyzed by fear not being beaten up and therefore physically paralyzed.

2. You do not learn that the street is dangerous by that. You knew that. It is the very reason you started martial arts. Just to see that you freeze anyway.

Hint: Freeze does not have anything to do with ice and low temperatures in this context.

OU 11-16-2012 02:15 PM

What I can learn from this is the person in question is a mental midget. Paralyzed by fear even after training is a problem with the individual not with the discipline they were allegedly taught.

Peak Experience 11-16-2012 02:31 PM

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Originally Posted by OUSOONERSOU (Post 1647824)
What I can learn from this is the person in question is a mental midget. Paralyzed by fear even after training is a problem with the individual not with the discipline they were allegedly taught.

1. Mental midget makes no sense.

2. The art can only exist by people applying it.

OU 11-16-2012 02:49 PM

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Originally Posted by Peak Experience (Post 1647828)
1. Mental midget makes no sense.

2. The art can only exist by people applying it.

1. Maybe you don't understand the term "mental midget". I'm saying the person in question has a weak mind. The opposite of mental toughness. You know how when someone says a fighter has "heart" how they are referring to the "will" of the fighter and how they try to push through the bad times? Just think the opposite, some people fold under pressure. That is what happened in the example given.

2. You know the old saying you can lead a horse to water but you can't make him drink? Same concept, you could have the knowledge and skills of a world class warrior but if you lack to the ability to apply that knowledge that falls back on the individual. You can't blame the discipline for the faults of the user. The problem you describe has 100% to do with the individual and zero to do with any marital arts.

Peak Experience 11-16-2012 11:16 PM

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1. Maybe you don't understand the term "mental midget". I'm saying the person in question has a weak mind. The opposite of mental toughness. You know how when someone says a fighter has "heart" how they are referring to the "will" of the fighter and how they try to push through the bad times? Just think the opposite, some people fold under pressure. That is what happened in the example given.
Why don't you grow some balls then, fa.ggot.

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2. You know the old saying you can lead a horse to water but you can't make him drink? Same concept, you could have the knowledge and skills of a world class warrior but if you lack to the ability to apply that knowledge that falls back on the individual. You can't blame the discipline for the faults of the user. The problem you describe has 100% to do with the individual and zero to do with any marital arts.
It has a lot to do with the person teaching it aswell as the physical differences between people.

Physically weak people cannot win a fight against strong trained people, that is what martial arts claim and that is why they are useless. Having a rifle brings new light into the equation.

Couchwarrior 11-17-2012 06:15 AM

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Originally Posted by Peak Experience (Post 1647822)
1. I am talking about being paralyzed by fear not being beaten up and therefore physically paralyzed.

Thanks for the additional info, then I agree with OUSOONERSOU's analysis.
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Originally Posted by Peak Experience (Post 1647938)
Physically weak people cannot win a fight against strong trained people, that is what martial arts claim and that is why they are useless.

No, that's the one thing this story does not tell us. Your size and strength does not affect your tendency to freeze in a stressful situation.
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Originally Posted by Peak Experience (Post 1647938)
Why don't you grow some balls then, fa.ggot.

Let me guess: The guy in the story is you, and you won't be happy before we all agree that you are tough as nails and got beaten up just because the combination of being small and having trained martial arts causes people to mysteriously freeze up?

Voiceless 11-17-2012 08:15 AM

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Originally Posted by Couchwarrior (Post 1647985)
Let me guess: The guy in the story is you, and you won't be happy before we all agree that you are tough as nails and got beaten up just because the combination of being small and having trained martial arts causes people to mysteriously freeze up?

Pretty much sounds like that.

What I have learned from several years of internet forum activity is that a guy new to a forum, who doesn't participate in other discussions, but as his first post opens a topic which is provocative against the main forum subject (i.e. starting a rant against martial arts in a (mixed) martial arts forum) is not about discussion. Usually it's just a troll.

Peak Experience 11-17-2012 10:09 PM

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Originally Posted by Couchwarrior (Post 1647985)
The guy in the story is you, and you won't be happy before we all agree that you are tough as nails and got beaten up just because the combination of being small and having trained martial arts causes people to mysteriously freeze up?

Yes. The guy is me. Except that I am - being 5'11 - not that small.

And while trying to figure out why I still freeze I investigate what I did to counter that issue.

Saying that on forums leaves people with the conclusion I was weak mentally, which is not helping obviously.

But the art, whose task it is to prepare you physically and mentally couldn't be flawed, is what they say. They are too dependent on their art to be flawless as they are not sure about this aspect of their art themselves.

It usually goes like this: The art is not flawed, you are, go to a therapist is what forum members say. Therapist says, you are flawed and I want to help you by making you weaker(sic). Forum members say, so you were at a therapist's and he couldn't help you. You are such a freak.

Yes ma is flawed as I followed it's rules but I didn't get the result it promised. So the question is: Why is this so?


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