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Old 03-11-2008, 09:43 PM   #51 (permalink)
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Wow, it's crazy how Cro Cop is now a guy that's cool to hate on. Everyone says that MMA isn't like boxing in that a couple losses doesn't end your career. However, this doesn't seem to apply to Cro Cop according to the haters.

To the quoted poster, calm down. Second, try breaking up your post into paragraphs. It gave me a migraine trying to read that.
sorry for no paragraphs and the headache..i do appreciate you reading my post though..I'm not a crocop hater for one, nor am i trying to hate on him. and yes with his losses in the ufc they really did affect his career, because second to rampage nobody, not even anderson or wand, was coming into the UFC with that much hype. there is nothing i would rather see than a huge crocop knockout, but i'm just stating the facts. he is one dimensional, turned out to be overhyped when coming to the states, and really only has about a half dozen real quality victories over better competition. the knockout from gabe has really ****ed with his career, so much so that now he's going back to japan to face some lame opponent. that's all i'm saying. nothing more nothing less. UFC was banking on a title fight for the ages with crocop and randy, and now mirko is fighting Mizuno??in Dream???isn't that enough to be critical about he's career right there?
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Old 03-11-2008, 09:53 PM   #52 (permalink)
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Thanks, I'll go all in on Mirko.
Hey man i don't blame you. i would to, except i don't bet on crocop anymore, cause i don't know if he's going to show up or not. but one would hope he doesn't get embarrased by some guy who's last name is on my middle school baseball glove. i used to think flipovic was the man, if he comes out and regains his confidence and can beat some quality opponents, by all means he still has the chance to be the man again. right now though, he's shaky at best, and he's always been one dimensional, that's all i'm saying. and i'm not saying because he's one dimensional that he can't be a dominant fighter either, im just stating everthing for what it is.
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Old 03-11-2008, 11:30 PM   #53 (permalink)
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Finally someone else sees how messed up it is these tuf newbs going and turning on fighters just cus they lose one or two fights.
And yea i said it.Most the guys on here are probably only into it because of seeing tuf.


Does anyone know the reason for why they changed the opponent?Why dont they just give cro cop the opponent who beat mizuno in bodog ie assurrio silva and at least make a fight out of it....
tuf newbs that's a ****in' joke. i don't know if you directed that at me, but i hate that show, have only watched a couple episodes, and don't like 98% of the fighters who come off the show. so you can generalize and say 'most the guys in here' but in reality most the guys in here i debate with are more knowledgable than you. um i've been a fan of ufc since 98, a pride fan since 03, so you can say what you want, i sent you a nice little message, then i went back and saw this post. you debate opinions i debate facts. the fact is he's (CC) lost two in a row when all three of them were set up on a silver platter for him and he didn't come through, he bitched right out of the UFC and now he's facing a no namer...and you're right it would be more intriguing if it was Assuerio(nice spelling newb)but it's not. i don't hate the guy but he lost alot of respect with alot of fans, becuase alot of fans like myself respect his striking ability and enjoy watching it, and would rather see it against frank mir (or any other HW in the show)than Mizuno. and a guy of crocop's caliber has no business beating up on that guy in this point of his career, two consecutive losses or not.
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tuf newbs that's a ****in' joke. i don't know if you directed that at me, but i hate that show, have only watched a couple episodes, and don't like 98% of the fighters who come off the show. so you can generalize and say 'most the guys in here' but in reality most the guys in here i debate with are more knowledgable than you. um i've been a fan of ufc since 98, a pride fan since 03, so you can say what you want, i sent you a nice little message, then i went back and saw this post. you debate opinions i debate facts. the fact is he's (CC) lost two in a row when all three of them were set up on a silver platter for him and he didn't come through, he bitched right out of the UFC and now he's facing a no namer...and you're right it would be more intriguing if it was Assuerio(nice spelling newb)but it's not. i don't hate the guy but he lost alot of respect with alot of fans, becuase alot of fans like myself respect his striking ability and enjoy watching it, and would rather see it against frank mir (or any other HW in the show)than Mizuno. and a guy of crocop's caliber has no business beating up on that guy in this point of his career, two consecutive losses or not.
First off on the assurio remark ive seen it spelt both ways so sorry about that.
second im not just remarking that your a tuf newb.If you want to say other people are more knowledgeable then im sorry that i didnt even know there were forums ...Honestly im a little back when it comes to computers.
im stating that the majority of these guys would say the same thing about say chuck facing jardine,a lot of people saw that as a huge step up in competition.

Would you rather see him as a fan of his face a guy who has a chance of getting his confidenece back on track or seeing him get his head clocked into the second row.The fact is outside of mir who else in the heavyweight division that could actually help set him back with his confidence to where it used to be.Maybe herring but then again herring goes and beats kongo who whupped cro cop.The fact is the heavyweight division of the ufc isnt where it would be enough of a start up to get cro cop back on track..and the fact is in case noone remembers this dana white even signed off on this and said that if the cro cop of old came back out then hed be back in the ufc by the end of 08.
I wont remark on the majority of his competition in pride .Yes the majority of them shouldnt have been anywhere near that ring with him in it.But you dont give a few guys hes fought the credit that maybe they deserve.Hes almost knocked out nog.Hes gone the distance with fedor and hunt.Stopped herring and barnett.Vicious cut on fujita.KOd aleksander emelianenko...among others.And of course his fights with Wanderlai silva.The fact is even when he lost fights in pride he still was holding his own pretty well.
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First off on the assurio remark ive seen it spelt both ways so sorry about that.
second im not just remarking that your a tuf newb.If you want to say other people are more knowledgeable then im sorry that i didnt even know there were forums ...Honestly im a little back when it comes to computers.
im stating that the majority of these guys would say the same thing about say chuck facing jardine,a lot of people saw that as a huge step up in competition.

Would you rather see him as a fan of his face a guy who has a chance of getting his confidenece back on track or seeing him get his head clocked into the second row.The fact is outside of mir who else in the heavyweight division that could actually help set him back with his confidence to where it used to be.Maybe herring but then again herring goes and beats kongo who whupped cro cop.The fact is the heavyweight division of the ufc isnt where it would be enough of a start up to get cro cop back on track..and the fact is in case noone remembers this dana white even signed off on this and said that if the cro cop of old came back out then hed be back in the ufc by the end of 08.
I wont remark on the majority of his competition in pride .Yes the majority of them shouldnt have been anywhere near that ring with him in it.But you dont give a few guys hes fought the credit that maybe they deserve.Hes almost knocked out nog.Hes gone the distance with fedor and hunt.Stopped herring and barnett.Vicious cut on fujita.KOd aleksander emelianenko...among others.And of course his fights with Wanderlai silva.The fact is even when he lost fights in pride he still was holding his own pretty well.
i agree. he did hold his own and was probably in the top three of prides best fighters, behind fedor and wand. i think mir would be a very tough match for him, and if he's trying to get back on track no way would he want frank.

i understand that he wants to get his feet back underneath him and regain his focus and confidence, i'm all for that. but a guy that's 3-2??? chuck lost two in a row and he didn't go take on a rookie he got his step back by facing wandy. well i guess you have to start somewhere. that high kick really messed his game up maybe worse than any fighter after a KO of that nature. I think the HW division in the UFC is horrible and not very exciting to watch outside 2 or 3 fighter. so if he can get some good victories and be back by the end of 08, i as a fan would love to see that. but to get to octagon level he can't just fight these rookies more or less. he is going to have to fight somebody of quality before he attempts that cage again, and honestly i don't know how bad he wants to be in the UFC. either way i'm glad these posts were more eye to eye.
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i agree. he did hold his own and was probably in the top three of prides best fighters, behind fedor and wand. i think mir would be a very tough match for him, and if he's trying to get back on track no way would he want frank.

i understand that he wants to get his feet back underneath him and regain his focus and confidence, i'm all for that. but a guy that's 3-2??? chuck lost two in a row and he didn't go take on a rookie he got his step back by facing wandy. well i guess you have to start somewhere. that high kick really messed his game up maybe worse than any fighter after a KO of that nature. I think the HW division in the UFC is horrible and not very exciting to watch outside 2 or 3 fighter. so if he can get some good victories and be back by the end of 08, i as a fan would love to see that. but to get to octagon level he can't just fight these rookies more or less. he is going to have to fight somebody of quality before he attempts that cage again, and honestly i don't know how bad he wants to be in the UFC. either way i'm glad these posts were more eye to eye.
If the biggest problem you have is that his opponent is only 3-2, just realize that they found this guy to fight him with less than a weeks notice. Who else are they going to get with that little time. They asked a few reputable fighters but they all refused due to just that, lack of training time.
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i agree. he did hold his own and was probably in the top three of prides best fighters, behind fedor and wand. i think mir would be a very tough match for him, and if he's trying to get back on track no way would he want frank.

i understand that he wants to get his feet back underneath him and regain his focus and confidence, i'm all for that. but a guy that's 3-2??? chuck lost two in a row and he didn't go take on a rookie he got his step back by facing wandy. well i guess you have to start somewhere. that high kick really messed his game up maybe worse than any fighter after a KO of that nature. I think the HW division in the UFC is horrible and not very exciting to watch outside 2 or 3 fighter. so if he can get some good victories and be back by the end of 08, i as a fan would love to see that. but to get to octagon level he can't just fight these rookies more or less. he is going to have to fight somebody of quality before he attempts that cage again, and honestly i don't know how bad he wants to be in the UFC. either way i'm glad these posts were more eye to eye.
Frank got beat pretty bad by vera and i highly believe that cro cop has a better sprawl than hardonk..so i dont think itd be that hard of a fight for him i said outside of frank there woulndt be much of a fight for him,to get back on track.

The fact is who else is he gonna fight on short notice .Noone else would really take that fight on three weeks notice.
The fact is this is his first fight out ..Lets see who he fights next ...
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