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Agreed with the first sentence.I thought that Damon made for a very believable tough guy. Renner is cool too and seems like the best replacement possible but Damon's Bourne kicked serious arse imo. Don't get why it's called The Bourne Legacy if Damon isn't in it, though.
Well, he's part of the same project or whatever, but really I think they're just capitalizing on the name since its part of the series. It would be a little confusing for viewers otherwise I think.

Regarding Renner's badassedness though, did you see The Hurt Locker? That Renner is one of the most badass guys ever imo. I guess I have seen Damon in too many silly roles for Bourne to be totally convincing to me.

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Regarding Renner's badassedness though, did you see The Hurt Locker? That Renner is one of the most badass guys ever imo. I guess I have seen Damon in too many silly roles for Bourne to be totally convincing to me.
Yeah, saw that fairly recently actually. Pretty good film, some great sound effects and suspenseful moments. Interesting character he played too. The character was a real badarse but he was a somewhat unsympathetic one. Too hardcore on the adrenaline junkie business to the point where he would sacrifice his colleagues. That made it hard to identify with the character a bit.
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Most of those movies seem to be full of propaganda. The Avengers is an example. Full of war and death. Not my cup of tea. I prefer not to be BRAINWASHED!!!

On that note, I'm looking forward to the Expendables 2, as I believe it is an exception to the propaganda rule. Well, not really, but any film that has Stone Cold and Randy Couture in automatically beats every other film in movie history. The fact that these two were the Co-main event, as it were, in the first movie was my biggest ever mark out moment. My skin was tingling for days.

The only other movie I want to watch is Ted. Looks hilarious. Also, Mila Kunis stars in it.




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hahahaha. I think you have it backwards my friend. I guarantee you that the Expendables will have a lot more war and death propaganda than a comic book movie about a team of superheros battling supervillains. Unless by exception you meant that it simply didn't matter to you

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hahahaha. I think you have it backwards my friend. I guarantee you that the Expendables will have a lot more war and death propaganda than a comic book movie about a team of superheros battling supervillains. Unless by exception you meant that it simply didn't matter to you
Haha, you have it spot on there buddy. With certain things, Wanderlei Silva fighting, Austin and Couture fighting on a major movie, I simply go blind in my admiration and pride.

As for the propaganda, I thinks its probably level pegging as both films hold the same plot. Good v Evil. Evil Foreigners, America saves the day, war and death solve all problems, war and death are normal etc. Messages subliminally put to us to help us prepare and accept wars and death in real life.




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Haha, you have it spot on there buddy. With certain things, Wanderlei Silva fighting, Austin and Couture fighting on a major movie, I simply go blind in my admiration and pride.

As for the propaganda, I thinks its probably level pegging as both films hold the same plot. Good v Evil. Evil Foreigners, America saves the day, war and death solve all problems, war and death are normal etc. Messages subliminally put to us to help us prepare and accept wars and death in real life.
Setting aside nationalism, I'd say good vs evil, war and death are simply common themes in legend and story since the beginning of time. Death and some concept of evil are universal to all cultures. War I suppose is a little more debatable but I think you'd be hard-pressed to find a culture that didn't have many myths and stories involving some form of war as well. These things appeal to (at least many of) us as humans, they don't need to be subliminally introduced.

Anyway, it's a Marvel property so the amount of actual death is likely to be quite low, and the majority of the conflict is likely to take place on the scale of personal combat. With a couple of notable exceptions, Marvel films usually specialize in excessive property damage, not slaughter. I fully expect hundreds of "bad guys" to die in a variety of entertaining ways in Expendables 2.

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Setting aside nationalism, I'd say good vs evil, war and death are simply common themes in legend and story since the beginning of time. Death and some concept of evil are universal to all cultures. War I suppose is a little more debatable but I think you'd be hard-pressed to find a culture that didn't have many myths and stories involving some form of war as well. These things appeal to (at least many of) us as humans, they don't need to be subliminally introduced.

Anyway, it's a Marvel property so the amount of actual death is likely to be quite low, and the majority of the conflict is likely to take place on the scale of personal combat. With a couple of notable exceptions, Marvel films usually specialize in excessive property damage, not slaughter. I fully expect hundreds of "bad guys" to die in a variety of entertaining ways in Expendables 2.
I'm a bit hard pressed for time otherwise I'd love to debate this with you. You say that war, death etc have been common themes in human life since the dawn of time. That being said, I'd like to think that the human race has evolved expotentially over the years, in form and mind. We are more intelligent beings then we have been, we are no longer neanderthals and we no longer have to kill or maim to get ahead of life. We should be able to sit and talk like respectable intellectual human beings. Not, oh lets just blow the crap out of a country until it yields so we can put our own man in charge. See Eygypt and Libya for recent examples.

Propaganda is a very old tool. Rhetoric from the people in charge, the elite, has forced countries into illegal wars and battles for hundreds if not thousands of years.

When I refer to subliminally introduced messages I don't mean what you see on the face of things. Take Call of Duty for example. I haven't had the 'pleasure' of playing it but I understand that the main plot is the US in a war against Iran. Which is what Isreal are currently attempting to convince the U.S and NATO to engage in, in the real world.




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Yes "TED" is the movie to watch. Never have I laughed that much in a trailer...lolz! Good stuff! Can't go wrong with the Family Guy writers.

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