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300: Rise of an Empire - *** Official Trailer Video ***

The first time I saw the trailer of 300 I knew it was going to be bad ass! Seen it half a dozen times. Even bought the book The Gates Of Fire by Steven Pressfield which btw is a book recommended to the U.S. military.

Now, we finally get the sequel.


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Not sure what this one is about. Who is the main character?

If Themistocles is the main character then that's an interesting theme/view of the battle, as he had a very important role during that whole war that the first movie didn't touch on at all.
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It focuses on the naval battle led by the Spartan General and Artemis + Xerxes at the battle of Artemisium and Salamis. This was in congruent to Thermopylae.

It's going to be sick cuz this is based on historical facts. Warfare in that time period was really something else. For the most part all done with melee weapons. It's the only society born and bred for one purpose. Thus their hegemony lasted 100 plus years.
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It focuses on the naval battle led by the Spartan General and Artemis + Xerxes at the battle of Artemisium and Salamis. This was in congruent to Thermopylae.

It's going to be sick cuz this is based on historical facts. Warfare in that time period was really something else. For the most part all done with melee weapons. It's the only society born and bred for one purpose. Thus their hegemony lasted 100 plus years.
Don't mean to be a dick, but 300 was anything but based on facts.

It was based on the historically inaccurate legend of 300 vs 100000 whereas the reality was closer to 5000 or even 11000 greeks LED BY 300 Spartans but not only them. They did well against against the untrained cannon fodder troops, reasonably well against the trained elites, then got flanked and slaughtered to a man except for the Thebans who surrendered. The Persians took heavy casualties due to some good tactics by the Greeks and their home field advantage, and careless waste of cannon fodder slave troops by the Persians, but won as expected and took over Boeotia.

http://europeanhistory.about.com/od/...histmyths2.htm
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Battle_of_Thermopylae

Aside from the historical innaccuracy for me it was a typical hollywood screaming bloodlust meets borderline homoerotic action flick, with shallow over-glamorized caricatures for characters, but I suppose it was a cult hit and well liked. I expect the sequel to be much of the same.

For movies set in the Ancient era I very much liked the movie from your sig, Gladiator. Though it wasn't based on a single historical battle or personality, it's portrayal of the life, times, politics and battles of that era was very much historically accurate and realistic. The characters and story had depth and the direction was absolutely fantastic. If only they came out with a sequel for that one!
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Don't mean to be a dick, but 300 was anything but based on facts.

It was based on the historically inaccurate legend of 300 vs 100000 whereas the reality was closer to 5000 or even 20000 greeks LED BY 300 Spartans but not only them. They did well against against the untrained cannon fodder troops, reasonably well against the trained elites, then got flanked and slaughtered to a man except for the Thebans who surrendered. The Persians took heavy casualties due to some good tactics by the Greeks and careless waste of cannon fodder slave troops, but won as expected and took over Boeotia.

http://europeanhistory.about.com/od/...histmyths2.htm
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Battle_of_Thermopylae

Aside from the historical innaccuracy for me it was a typical hollywood screaming bloodlust meets borderline homoerotic action flick, with shallow over-glamorized caricatures for characters, but I suppose it was a cult hit and well liked. I expect the sequel to be much of the same.

For movies set in the Ancient era I very much liked the movie from your sig, Gladiator. Though it wasn't based on a single historical battle or personality, it's portrayal of the life, times, politics and battles of that ere was very much historically accurate and realistic. The characters and story had depth and the direction was absolutely fantastic. If only they came out with a sequel for that!
I had a feeling some one would point that out. Some are facts, fiction, but the better phrase would have been "based on historical references." I can go into detail about it, but anybody who's read books and watched enough film adaptations knows it's pretty much understood that there's going to be some discrepancies to varying degrees. I'm looking at it purely from an entertainment value knowing it was based on real characters and real battles that took place in antiquity.

I'm glad the original director is producing it so the look and feel should be the same. There needs to be more sword and sandal epics.

Russell Crowe had disagreements in killing off Maximus Decimus Deridius. You gotta watch the documentary on how they produced the film. It's part of the collector's edition DVD. It's approximately two hours long. The set pieces, costumes, thespians, and most importantly the dialogue is what transcends this Roman piece.
Can't understand how it won best picture, best actor, but not best director. Even Hans Zimmer claimed it to be his magnus opus.

They were playing around with a sequel to Gladiator based on Lucius Vera. However it's in Hollywood purgatory at the moment. One of the few films I watched twice in the theaters all because I missed the first 30 seconds of it. That intro with "Progeny" playing in the background was simply brilliant.

AT THE HEIGHT OF ITS POWER, THE ROMAN EMPIRE WAS VAST, STRETCHING FROM THE DESERTS OF AFRICA TO THE BORDERS OF NORTHERN ENGLAND.

OVER ONE QUARTER OF THE WORLD'S POPULATION LIVED AND DIED UNDER THE RULE OF THE CAESARS.

IN THE WINTER OF 180 A.D. EMPEROR MARCUS AURELIUS' TWELVE-YEAR CAMPAIGN AGAINST THE BARBARIAN TRIBES IN GERMANIA WAS DRAWING TO AN END.

ONE FINAL STRONGHOLD STANDS IN THE WAY OF ROMAN VICTORY AND THE PROMISE OF PEACE THROUGHOUT THE EMPIRE.
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I had a feeling some one would point that out. Some are facts, fiction, but the better phrase would have been "based on historical references." I can go into detail about it, but anybody who's read books and watched enough film adaptations knows it's pretty much understood that there's going to be some discrepancies to varying degrees. I'm looking at it purely from an entertainment value knowing it was based on real characters and real battles that took place in antiquity.

I'm glad the original director is producing it so the look and feel should be the same. There needs to be more sword and sandal epics.

Russell Crowe had disagreements in killing off Maximus Decimus Deridius. You gotta watch the documentary on how they produced the film. It's part of the collector's edition DVD. It's approximately two hours long. The set pieces, costumes, thespians, and most importantly the dialogue is what transcends this Roman piece.
Can't understand how it won best picture, best actor, but not best director. Even Hans Zimmer claimed it to be his magnus opus.

They were playing around with a sequel to Gladiator based on Lucius Vera. However it's in Hollywood purgatory at the moment. One of the few films I watched twice in the theaters all because I missed the first 30 seconds of it. That intro with "Progeny" playing in the background was simply brilliant.

AT THE HEIGHT OF ITS POWER, THE ROMAN EMPIRE WAS VAST, STRETCHING FROM THE DESERTS OF AFRICA TO THE BORDERS OF NORTHERN ENGLAND.

OVER ONE QUARTER OF THE WORLD'S POPULATION LIVED AND DIED UNDER THE RULE OF THE CAESARS.

IN THE WINTER OF 180 A.D. EMPEROR MARCUS AURELIUS' TWELVE-YEAR CAMPAIGN AGAINST THE BARBARIAN TRIBES IN GERMANIA WAS DRAWING TO AN END.

ONE FINAL STRONGHOLD STANDS IN THE WAY OF ROMAN VICTORY AND THE PROMISE OF PEACE THROUGHOUT THE EMPIRE.
Totally, Gladiator was so quotable from start to finish. The beginning narration sent chills down my spine, and Maximus has got to be one of my most admired and deepest fictional characters. I keep dropping the "ARE YOU NOT ENTERTAINED!?" quote around here from time to time to haha.

I don't mind some deviations or entertainment value in my historical movies either but I guess I have a lower threshold for where it crosses over into what seems like pure fantasy and propaganda. At that point I'd rather watch like a Lord of the Rings or something and at least not pretend it was supposed to be related to reality.
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Time for my review and recap. SPOILER.

I personally enjoyed this prequel/sequel/follow up and give it a thumbs up. A seven out of ten where as the original would be a solid eight. It's original in concept where it's a combination of what I mentioned above. It's from the same timeline as the Battle Of Thermoplyae, but it does depict scenes from the past and present. So which empire were they actually describing. Originally I thought it was the Persian, but I think it's both the Persians and Spartans. It shows why Xerxes was so hell bent in conquering all of Greece. Of course this Greco-Persia war is what brought Sparta to dominance. This was precipitated by their reputation in the battlefield and of course with their ultimate sacrifice at the "Hot Gates" holding off the advancing Persian army. This served to stall them, allow the rest of the Greeks nations to gather their men + supplies, and finally to achieve total unification of all of Greece.

In an equally pivotal battle was the naval battle of Salamis. This is where Themistocles/Spartans decisively defeated the Persian navy. After the 300 Spartans led by Leonidas were defeated after a three day battle. Themistocles was simultaneously fighting at the battle of Artemisium shown earlier on in the film. He then retreats after hearing the loss because there was no point in protecting the armies flank as they were eventually run over.

The film depicts this, but it's kinda difficult to digest because of all the action in between. It was all very tactical and strategical. Both the navy and army worked in tandem to stall and make it as DIFFICULT as possible to invade their lands.

This then culminated in the Battle of Plateau which was depicted in ending of the first 300. Therefore I'm almost certain they'll create a final film to complete the trilogy leading up to this climactic battle. Xerxes knowing the battle was lost left General Mardonius to take charge. At the Battle of Plateau the Spartans were at full strength of 10,000 soldiers + 35,000 helots/slaves + all the united Greek citizens totalling 80,000 - 110,000 Greeks vs 120,000-300,000 Persians. These were from various sources from the low end to the high end of the spectrum.

The Spartans were such a unique social class where the (Spartiates) citizens were entirely devoted to the military.

Just imagine you or I fully trained in Jiu Jitsu, Muay Thai, and all forms of combat since the beginning of our birth all the way to the age of 60. Something to behold.

I gotta thank Frank Miller for bringing this to life. Even though it's highly fictionalized it's absolutely based on real life history. You're just sitting there thinking...this actually happened thousands of years ago.
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