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post #41 of 54 (permalink) Old 03-23-2009, 09:16 PM
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I will say this regarding the lack of solid threads in the UFC section.

I agree that we need to diversify the topics in the UFC section and that has already been addressed in this thread.

The other thing that I wanted to address though is this. We have a real attitude problem with many of the established members on this site. Allow me to explain:

When a new member joins and makes a thread like " GSP is the greatest, who agrees ", they are immediately attacked by other members and called an idiot and a n00b and all other kinds of things. Most of the time somebody neg reps them to oblivion and treats them like a troll from their very first post. Nobody ever schools them up nicely and encourages them to come up with an original thread topic.

This is an old problem around here that has never been corrected and it need to be corrected now. The bottom line is that if you don't have something nice to say, don't say anything. Even better than that though, take the time to get to know the new members and bring them up right.

Also, when a new member makes a positive contribution to this site, let them know and respond to their post with something constructive. Many times I see a good post by a new member that gets absolutely no replies to it. Yet all around it the older members are chatting it up amongst themselves. This is what happened to me for my first 6 months at least. I was making solid posts and nobody would give me the time of day....and yes, I'm talking about many of you that still post here.



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post #42 of 54 (permalink) Old 03-23-2009, 09:21 PM
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I will say this regarding the lack of solid threads in the UFC section.

I agree that we need to diversify the topics in the UFC section and that has already been addressed in this thread.

The other thing that I wanted to address though is this. We have a real attitude problem with many of the established members on this site. Allow me to explain:

When a new member joins and makes a thread like " GSP is the greatest, who agrees ", they are immediately attacked by other members and called an idiot and a n00b and all other kinds of things. Most of the time somebody neg reps them to oblivion and treats them like a troll from their very first post. Nobody ever schools them up nicely and encourages them to come up with an original thread topic.

This is an old problem around here that has never been corrected and it need to be corrected now. The bottom line is that if you don't have something nice to say, don't say anything. Even better than that though, take the time to get to know the new members and bring them up right.

Also, when a new member makes a positive contribution to this site, let them know and respond to their post with something constructive. Many times I see a good post by a new member that gets absolutely no replies to it. Yet all around it the older members are chatting it up amongst themselves. This is what happened to me for my first 6 months at least. I was making solid posts and nobody would give me the time of day....and yes, I'm talking about many of you that still post here.
Now this is something I agree with, and try to implement as well. Unless I know for a fact that you're just trying to stir things up, or are being stupid, I tend to not be so negative. For example: I actually tried helping Horus Ra out a couple of times. But that guy just doesn't listen.



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I tried to help Ra out as well, sent him multiple PM's about advice.

The thing about seeing the new member's is that I have been skipping over their opinion's for a long time now. I usually only read the post's of the people who are established member's. If these new guy's are legit and want to be apart of the site then I will see their name's around more and will pay more attention to them.

Just earlier in the UFC section I was trying to address my issue by replying to a few thread's. I read through new, unpaid member's post's and they seemed solid. But one guy, with 13 post's is sitting pretty in the green. Once again, that bother's me. 13 solid post's do no warrant that type of reputation.

If reputation meant anything anymore then maybe, yeah, I'd pay more attention to the nonpaid, new member's. But it is really difficult to filter who those guy's are when your looking at a sea of full reputee's.
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I'm glad I got to read mjb's posts because of you guys quoting him, but why did you delete them? I do think the banned members at least deserve to have their side of the story for public view, it would be the democratic thing to do.

Anyways regarding the MMA areas of the forum, I think they need a revamp. I mean, look at the "In The Ring!" section; 12 subsections to click on! IMO it is a little intimidating and makes the forum look sloppy. What about making "Western MMA", "Eastern MMA" and (maybe) "European MMA" subsections so you can have several promotions within one click? Remember, interweb users are lazy as can be, so the less searching and clicking the better.

Other sections could use a little cleaning up too, like the "More MMA Discussion" area. If you condense the "In The Ring!" section you could probably just merge the two. Might be good to get rid of the "Women of MMA" section, that place tends to be a cesspool anyways, a lot of that discussion can go in the General MMA area or the Lounge.

And the rep system, I see this problem a lot; the older a forum gets the more broken the rep system will become. People have such powerful rep nowadays that 1 pos rep will jolt a new user to full bars - there is definitely something wrong with this. Perhaps a complete rep wipe every year or two would help fix this. By the end of the year, maybe giving awards or just a thread showing who got the most rep would give the system a little more meaning, especially if everyone had to start from scratch.

I'm just throwing some ideas out there because imo this forum could use a little spring cleaning.

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I will say this regarding the lack of solid threads in the UFC section.

I agree that we need to diversify the topics in the UFC section and that has already been addressed in this thread.

The other thing that I wanted to address though is this. We have a real attitude problem with many of the established members on this site. Allow me to explain:

When a new member joins and makes a thread like " GSP is the greatest, who agrees ", they are immediately attacked by other members and called an idiot and a n00b and all other kinds of things. Most of the time somebody neg reps them to oblivion and treats them like a troll from their very first post. Nobody ever schools them up nicely and encourages them to come up with an original thread topic.

This is an old problem around here that has never been corrected and it need to be corrected now. The bottom line is that if you don't have something nice to say, don't say anything. Even better than that though, take the time to get to know the new members and bring them up right.

Also, when a new member makes a positive contribution to this site, let them know and respond to their post with something constructive. Many times I see a good post by a new member that gets absolutely no replies to it. Yet all around it the older members are chatting it up amongst themselves. This is what happened to me for my first 6 months at least. I was making solid posts and nobody would give me the time of day....and yes, I'm talking about many of you that still post here.
i agree with this, i have seen on a number of ocasions and some paid members have also said, "i only really read the posts from paid members, that makes me sound liek a douche but its true" or something along those lines, im not gunna name names though. but i do agrre with what junkie is saying here, and i will certainly make more of an effort to help the newer members out more often

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I like what the Surfman said. Kinda like what COD 4 did with their online system. Let there be an option to reset and receive a unique marking or something.
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I like what the Surfman said. Kinda like what COD 4 did with their online system. Let there be an option to reset and receive a unique marking or something.
yeah in cod 4 and 5 once you reach teh top level you can do 'prestige mode' where you basicly start from scratch again but you have a diffeanrt sort of medal thing.

if many other users feel the same about the rep situation is there a way to reset the rep or something?

when i first joined up i was in full green within a couple of weeks but not for my MMA discusion, (well some of the first reps i got where) but most of the more powerful reps which got me to full green where just from posting funny stuff in the lounge

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The rep system is broken and always will be if you think your green bars mean somehing they dont, I dont even look at the bars I just like to look at it and see if somebody likes or doesnt like what I had to say.

As for what Junkie is saying he has a great point, I remember the first time I ever joined a message board I made a thread right away because I wanted to make a thread, not because I thought I had a new and original idea for discussion, it takes a while if you have never been on a message board to catch on to the required etiquette that helps make a good poster.




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I'm glad I got to read mjb's posts because of you guys quoting him, but why did you delete them? I do think the banned members at least deserve to have their side of the story for public view, it would be the democratic thing to do.

Anyways regarding the MMA areas of the forum, I think they need a revamp. I mean, look at the "In The Ring!" section; 12 subsections to click on! IMO it is a little intimidating and makes the forum look sloppy. What about making "Western MMA", "Eastern MMA" and (maybe) "European MMA" subsections so you can have several promotions within one click? Remember, interweb users are lazy as can be, so the less searching and clicking the better.

Other sections could use a little cleaning up too, like the "More MMA Discussion" area. If you condense the "In The Ring!" section you could probably just merge the two. Might be good to get rid of the "Women of MMA" section, that place tends to be a cesspool anyways, a lot of that discussion can go in the General MMA area or the Lounge.

And the rep system, I see this problem a lot; the older a forum gets the more broken the rep system will become. People have such powerful rep nowadays that 1 pos rep will jolt a new user to full bars - there is definitely something wrong with this. Perhaps a complete rep wipe every year or two would help fix this. By the end of the year, maybe giving awards or just a thread showing who got the most rep would give the system a little more meaning, especially if everyone had to start from scratch.

I'm just throwing some ideas out there because imo this forum could use a little spring cleaning.
We got in trouble with the rep system when we did the reset on the credits. There were certain members that we actually repping according to the amount of credits they had and not the amount of rep. That's how the system got to where it is today.

I have to admit that I'd like to see the rep system get reset, but I don't know if it's possible or not. We'll have to look in to that.

For right now, try and actually read the posts and decide for your selves if the poster is good or not.

I know it's not much, but it's all I can tell you.






And as far as MJB's post, it got deleted becuase he really needs to be talking to myself, Norway or TBF right now and not crying out to members for sympathy.

We need to take a look at everything that occured and figure out the best path for the forum it's self.

As much as I like a democratic way of doing things, that's not what we have here. We have a business that's run and paid for by a corporation and these guys were trying to mess with their money. No one likes their money messed with and we are trying to see what can be done to get things as close to normal as they used to be.

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I guess I dont understand the 'forum' business very much, but, why do you need to start a new forum? What would make someone want to do that?
Is there a lot of money to be made being in the forum business?

Im not even joking here, I dont get it.
Although mods don't get paid to monitor forums, the owners of a discussion board generate revenue through advertisements, like the ones you see on right hand side of the screen, above it and below it. I hope that helps.



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