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Old 01-15-2010, 07:04 PM   #21 (permalink)

 
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Old 01-17-2010, 09:13 AM   #22 (permalink)
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They are in one instance, which is why that rule is there in the first place; I thought we were in agreement on that point.
I can't really tell what you're referring to with this post, sorry.

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Yes I agree it is what it is...illegal. Just so it's known, yea they can ban me for breaking the rules, but that rule is actually illegal. It's keyword theft and not only does it allow them to have high paying relevant ads on each page of a thread (notice how this thread's ads have nothing to do with MMA?)it also allows them to steal traffic from the original site because MMAforum's Alexa Ranking is so much higher than all these article sites that when someone searches on google for an article, MMAforum will have first dibs on the front page because they naturally have a higher search engine ranking. So the person clicks on the MMAforum thread and reads it there instead of the original source.

You guys(not all you of course) can act like it's no big deal all you want but the fact of the matter is this is some of the most shady shit you can do in online business. If google knew about this MMAforum would very likely get blacklisted by them and permanently banned from Google AdSense.

But yea I've said my piece and I'm going to be saying it again to Vertical Sports via e-mail. I'm done talking about this now
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There are few rules on this site and no harsh ones. Me and many other members dont have problems with them. Why cant you just arrange yourself with them?
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Old 01-17-2010, 05:55 PM   #24 (permalink)
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There are few rules on this site and no harsh ones. Me and many other members dont have problems with them. Why cant you just arrange yourself with them?
I can't arrange myself for a rule that is illegal and unethical, sorry I don't condone keyword theft and stealing traffic from deserving websites
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I can't arrange myself for a rule that is illegal and unethical, sorry I don't condone keyword theft and stealing traffic from deserving websites

Well either way Toxic and M_D have explained the reasons at length, this is old and the BOTTOM LINE...is it isnt gonna change. You said fine and you respect it while stating that you feel its unethical, we've all got it, but it still isnt gonna change so lets let sleeping dog's lie and post the way we agreed to when we joined the forum and clicked "I AGREE" to the terms and conditions.

This topic has exhausted itself....
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Didn't know about the article section, and the blogs suck nobody reads those. My point still stands that article sites are not in competition with MMAforum.


70 Page views on both articles and I made 17 cents, compared to MMAforums $5000+ a month on this forum alone (not including all their other forums)). I don't write on that site to make money, that would be a waste of time. I write there cuz I like their platform and editors. I write for other sites to make money, and not about UFC topics either, they make pretty much no money at all, but generic topics tend to.


I didn't see a "logical" reason anywhere in your post



Personally I think that's your choice but I don't think I should be forced to copy and paste a 5000 word 2-page article just cuz some people are too lazy to click a link. That's a bit absurd IMO.

Point also still stands that MMAforum is trying to steal keywords to make more money.
Ya we have a blog section, have had for 3 years. We want bloggers to post in there, full articles.

$5000 a month? come on now, get real.

Come on, why not volunteer articles to us instead of getting posters to leave the forum to read your blog? You can then post the url in your article at the end.

Your complaining in public is very misleading...you were asked and warned numerous times not to promote your blog and to volunteer full articles every now and then. So the infraction should not come as a surprise!

Also the mods tell me you get paid for each member that comes to your blog, if thats true then we cant allow that, especially if we get zero benefit from your blog.

If you feel so strongly the need to spam your blog, then the only way to do it from now on is post the article in its entirety. Then if you want to post a url to your blog, the mods may agree to that.
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Articles are not in competition for their earnings for this site. This site doesn't have an article section so that's not how they make money. In fact, if it wasn't for people writing articles on other sites, this forum would be boring and empty. Article sites need forums for exposure, and forums need article sites for content. They are SUPPOSED to work together, that's how the internet works. It's a community. But Vertical Sports takes the unethical route and just wants to hog all the traffic so they can collect AdSense revenue from Google Ads.

There's no real logical reason other than pure greed for them to force members to not view other sites. They make a ridiculous amount of money and all they have to do is sit back and wait for people to click ads (meanwhile you mods and us members are doing all the leg work for NO PAY). The longer people are on their site the more chances they have to get ad clicks. But people are on this site 24 hours a day, constantly. To have about 70 members (this is the amount of page views I got from this site) take a few minutes to read a UFC related article is not going to affect them in any way shape or form.

My favorite reason they want us to post the whole article is because it pretty much guarantees that each page of that thread will contain relevant, high-paying ads, due to the mass amount of keywords that are going to be copy and pasted onto the first post. Essentially, they are trying to steal keywords in order to make more money. Ethical? Sure why not.

Plus I worked hard researching, writing, editing, formatting, and publishing my work, I don't want it to be seen in a shitty gray quote box and have to re-format it all again to make it look the way I intended.

Anyone who agrees with this rule...I don't ever want to see you make a post about how the UFC acting like they own MMA is messed up. EVER. I WILL CALL YOU OUT ON IT
Greed? no...you miss the point! Actually according to your logic, you are making us cash by complaining so strongly!

The owners do not dictate policy. They leave it up to me and the staff. So this is to you and to the rest of the posters here, this is not about money! That is as wrong as one can be!

It is convenience of not making posters leave and add to that the fact we want posters to post here. To talk here. A forum thrives on activity, discussion.

I understand your feelings about reformatting, but then you need to understand where the mods are coming from as well.
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they do have a blog section on here if you would like to use it

you go off on them for wanting money but a main real reason you dont want to post the full article is because you make money if people go to the other site to view your blog. which is fine and dandy and I would want it to but I would not come on here and expect them to let me make money off of them.



this part bugged me too because I gave you an example of a very logically reason in the post you quoted but you I guess chose to ignore it

it really is a convenience thing for me, I hate having to leave the site to look at information in threads that is the reason I loved that they made it so we could embed allot of movies on here so i did not have to leave the website to go to youtube every time I wanted to see a video, and yes this also deals with blog/articles being fully posted on here also.
ok, it should bother you. The poster is trying to make it personal. This is not about the owners as I stated to him above, but it is policy, what the staff wants.

We are not picking on the poster exclusively! We want bloggers to post articles, if they disagree, thats fine! But then we deserve the right to enforce information we want on here! So that must be understood by all.

Besides it not like we are completely censoring the blogger. He is allowed to have a url in his signature if he wishes!

You brought up articles, I just want to say articles are different than blogs. How so? No disrespect intended to the poster, please dont take it this way, anyone can blog. I can start a blog. Again I am not trying to dish the blogger, I know time and research is involved in his articles, but there is and has been a stigma applied to reporters compared to bloggers. Maybe in time that will change. If it does, then maybe policy will change here as well.

Articles are mostly done by reporters, and beat writers and there are real copyright laws that apply to their info. Fair use allows us partial posting of articles and a url linked to the articles.

This also applies to beat writers that blog as well. Copyright applies to their article.
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It is what it is so how about we go back to discussing MMA, If you unhappy WouldLuv2FightU you can feel free to email Vertical Sports with your concerns but there is no need to argue the merits of it here.
This is not policy from VS. Each forum is ran the way staff sees fit.
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