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UrbanBounca 05-02-2010 05:11 PM

How about a political forum?
 
Why isn't there a political forum on MMAF? I understand that it can start pretty heated discussions, but with an effective moderator, that can be kept to a minimum.

How about it? :thumb02:

Toxic 05-02-2010 07:44 PM

One or two political threads are more than enough, discussions get out of hand and despite the best efforts and often warning being given out we rarely can have a political thread burn out before we are forced to start handing out infractions and close it. An entire sub forum would be full of closed threads since there would be nothing to bump them. People can't discuss politics like adults they always end badly.

G_Land 05-02-2010 07:47 PM

I am glad I am not one of the people who get so reved up over political issues...Im in the Military so I just do as Im told lol

UrbanBounca 05-02-2010 07:54 PM

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Originally Posted by Toxic (Post 1174029)
One or two political threads are more than enough, discussions get out of hand and despite the best efforts and often warning being given out we rarely can have a political thread burn out before we are forced to start handing out infractions and close it. An entire sub forum would be full of closed threads since there would be nothing to bump them. People can't discuss politics like adults they always end badly.

This is the only forum I visit that doesn't have a political forum. Should we say that MMAF can't discuss politics like adults?

JimmyJames 05-02-2010 08:17 PM

Cant we just wait till the next Cain fight and talk about it in the up coming "Brown Pride Tattoo" thread?

Toxic 05-02-2010 09:58 PM

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Originally Posted by UrbanBounca (Post 1174033)
This is the only forum I visit that doesn't have a political forum. Should we say that MMAF can't discuss politics like adults?

Sadly that is kinda how it would seem. Maybe when users prove they can keep the odd political thread that pops up in the lounge like respectful adults this can be revisited.

Iuanes 05-05-2010 01:30 PM

I think the problem might be that precisely because it pops up in the 'lounge'or 'ufc' that people get heated over it. They don't immediately think 'this is a political thread I should tread carefully' but that its an invasive/disagreeable opinion popping up unexpectedly in what is usually a leisurely area.

If you designate a place for it and lay down and emphasize some rules before hand I think people will come into the discussion prepared to have their opinions and values challenged. Its like if you're at a bar and someone makes some contentious statement , maybe things won't be so amicable, but if you're going into a debate knowing beforehand that its an argument and that there are some formal rules, things are going to be alot more civilized.

In summary, the very designation of a separate 'political' space may in itself effectively make for more civilized discourse and secondly, could prevent the contentious threads from popping up unwanted in other areas.

my 2 cents.

TheGrizzlyBear 05-05-2010 02:02 PM

I agree with toxic, Political Forum is a bad idea, when it comes to politics people can't/won't except someone elses opinion on a certain subject and it ends up turning into a crapfest of name calling...

Ruckus 05-05-2010 02:03 PM

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Originally Posted by Toxic (Post 1174029)
One or two political threads are more than enough, discussions get out of hand and despite the best efforts and often warning being given out we rarely can have a political thread burn out before we are forced to start handing out infractions and close it. An entire sub forum would be full of closed threads since there would be nothing to bump them. People can't discuss politics like adults they always end badly.

As a former bartender one of the rues of discussion is no politics and no religion. Someone is going to get offended and we know how that will turn out.


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Originally Posted by UrbanBounca (Post 1174033)
This is the only forum I visit that doesn't have a political forum. Should we say that MMAF can't discuss politics like adults?

I find it hard to believe that there is any forum out three where someone doesn't react poorly to a political thread, just my experience.

That being said, I would love a lounge dedicated to politics. Some of the better discussions I have had which subsequently led to a newer perspective of the world around me came directly from political discussions.

Iuanes 05-05-2010 03:07 PM

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Originally Posted by Ruckus (Post 1175777)
As a former bartender one of the rues of discussion is no politics and no religion. Someone is going to get offended and we know how that will turn out.

Exactly, you're at a bar, you want to have a good time, you're not expecting some stranger to start questioning what your worldview and values are. When you have forum dedicated to this discussion you will be prepared and willing to be challenged.



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Originally Posted by Ruckus (Post 1175777)
That being said, I would love a lounge dedicated to politics. Some of the better discussions I have had which subsequently led to a newer perspective of the world around me came directly from political discussions.

Yes, there are some bright and interesting people here who I feel I might learn something interesting from that can't fully express their views because of the restrictions of the forums.

We're never going to have a civilized debate about politics if we don't keep trying to make it right. I've seen plenty of discussion that are passionately argued which don't spiral off into name calling, but these discussions are formalized and designated as such.

I sympathize with mods having to sort through all kinds of bile and trash, but I feel sometimes the most interesting threads and debates get closed prematurely because of fear they'll get out of hand.

If the fear is a political subforum will inevitably devolve, then I say have a subforum that is meant for contentious debate and unmoderated. I've see other forums do this and it isn't like a cesspool or anything, it actually becomes pretty interesting and pretty well contested.


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