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post #1 of 21 (permalink) Old 05-21-2012, 02:21 AM Thread Starter
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This Gilbert guy really hasn't impressed me

I have been hearing up and down, left and right, back and forth that GM is the Best 155 on the planet.
Am I the only one that just doesn't see it?

If he is the best, where does that put Josh Thompson, who in my view totally won that fight.

I am starting to think the 10 Point must system doesn't belong in MMA. It just doesn't accurately reflect who really wins these fights.
Anyone can argue that at the end of each round, this guy or that guy won the last 5 minutes of fighting, and then we start over. But taken as a whole, there is no way GM won that fight, no way in hell. It's time for MMA to score fights as a whole and not by round, for example, the rounds that JT won, where won in a far superior fashion to the ones GM won, that 4th round for Thompson was worth at least 2 of the Rounds that GM won, but the judges can't do that. It's so stupid to put some dumb archaic 10 point must process, taken from a totally different sport and try to force it to fit into an MMA frame. It doesn't fricken work and it needs to end.

I am sick and tired of seeing guys get wins for fights they lost. I'm sick and tired of a guy getting beat up all round and then "Stealing the round" with a lame takedown at the end that has no more impact than a casually landed Jab. I heard that all night "He is stealing the round" - **** that, they need to stop being rewarded for "Stealing Rounds" and they need to actually Win them.

If I was a lesser fan, this would turn me off to the sport, enough to just stop watching. But I am not. I am a rabid fan. But, there are many border line fans and if this sport really wants to grow and get out of the fringe, they need to fix this.

Everyone likes to say "If you don't like the decision, don't leave it to the judges". That's bullshit. You should be able to leave it to the judges and trust that they will get it right. Does anyone actually tell these judges how to score the fights? Do the judges actually know how to fight? Do they know what's hard to do and what isn't? Do they know what causes reall damage (Like stikes and headkicks) vs what "Looks" impressive, like a Takedown or Slam?
Obviously, they don't.

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post #2 of 21 (permalink) Old 05-21-2012, 02:32 AM
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The problem with judging the whole fight is that emotion would come into play over what actually happened. A fighter could have one flurry in the last round and have the judges sway their vote. All the while throwing out the previous 2 or 4 rounds.

What I would like to see, takedowns recieve a fraction of the points unless you advance position, or land significant gnp. If that were the case, Thompson may have won the fight. The takedowns Gilbert landed had a significant play in that decision i'm sure, when they didn't lead to much.

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I thought Melendez won the fight. I suppose him being a Caesar Gracie guy helps with his reputation but I do believe he'd so well in the UFC, maybe not champion straight away.
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The fight confirmed what I knew for a long time. GM might be a top 10 fighter in the UFC, but I can also name 10+ UFC LW's that I think would beat him, let alone the top 5 that I think would destroy him.

He's not bad, but he isn't the best. If he ever moves over to the UFC he will learn real quick the truth.
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Melendez won that fight but I was not Impressed at all and have not been impressed by his last 3 or 4 fights.

I wish BJ would come back and fight him and put all this hype to rest.

On another note, did anyone else think Thomson looked kind of small for 155? could he make 145?
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I dont get the ridiculous hype either. He has looked ok in SF but far from sensational. I thought he lost the fight on saturday tbh. He scraped past Thomson and was boring as shite against Masvidal and Aoki.

Dont get me wrong he is obviously a good fighter - a top 10 LW, but he has to do a lot more in my eyes to be put up on a level with Nate, Bendo and Edgar.

I will say in GMs defense though that i think Josh Thomson is one of the most underrated LWs out there. He is one of the guys who HAS to come over to the UFC from SF.

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I dont get the ridiculous hype either. He has looked ok in SF but far from sensational. I thought he lost the fight on saturday tbh. He scraped past Thomson and was boring as shite against Masvidal and Aoki.

Dont get me wrong he is obviously a good fighter - a top 10 LW, but he has to do a lot more in my eyes to be put up on a level with Nate, Bendo and Edgar.

I will say in GMs defense though that i think Josh Thomson is one of the most underrated LWs out there. He is one of the guys who HAS to come over to the UFC from SF.
I'd have to agree with you.

GM is a talented fighter, but his last few fights put a lot of doubt in my mind, if he could hang with the elite guys from UFC.

Nate/Edgar/Bendo would all put beatings on him... I'd say he has his work cut out for him to even reach the top 5.

I'd give Thompson big credit too, he is underrated and that fight looked to have gone either way.

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I agree with Thomson being underrated the guy is likely a top 10 LW but honesly I think him and Gil are on par with guys like Clay Guida and Donald Cerrone as guys that fall just short of contendership.




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I thought it was a draw leaning melendez. Either way you can't be the best 155er in the world and get your ass handed to you in the fourth and fifth by Thomson who is a shell of his former self. Gil can't hang with the elites at 155.
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I actually gave this to Josh Thomson.

But if anything, this fight rises question that is Melendez really ready for UFC Lightweight champion? After this performance, I think both Benson Henderson and Frankie Edgar would beat him if they meet.
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