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Old 07-03-2012, 08:45 PM   #21 (permalink)
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The thing is that this is a huge part of fighting. Without soccer kicks or knees to downed opponents it leaves huge gaps in how real fighting is vs prize fighting. I realize a lot of people are talking about "how dangerous" soccer kicks are, and they are dangerous and very effective. But I'd say no more dangerous than a high kick to a persons head.

In a real fight if one fighter is standing and the other guy is on the ground, the guy who is standing holds a tremendous advantage over the guy on the ground. But this is not true in most mma, in fact its often a "stalemate" position which is completely unrealistic of a natural fight.

I do see the reasons why soccer kicks and knees to a downed opponent are illegal, but I'd argue those are the same reasons head kicks should also be illegal.
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Old 07-04-2012, 05:38 AM   #22 (permalink)
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The thing is that this is a huge part of fighting. Without soccer kicks or knees to downed opponents it leaves huge gaps in how real fighting is vs prize fighting. I realize a lot of people are talking about "how dangerous" soccer kicks are, and they are dangerous and very effective. But I'd say no more dangerous than a high kick to a persons head.

In a real fight if one fighter is standing and the other guy is on the ground, the guy who is standing holds a tremendous advantage over the guy on the ground. But this is not true in most mma, in fact its often a "stalemate" position which is completely unrealistic of a natural fight.

I do see the reasons why soccer kicks and knees to a downed opponent are illegal, but I'd argue those are the same reasons head kicks should also be illegal.
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Concerning the "too barbaric" argument. That depends on perspective and perspective can change. Earlier, punching and elbowing a grounded person was in general also considered barbaric, now it's accepted as part of MMA. In Japan soccer kicking and stomping was accepted the whole time. So it's just a question of time and place.
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The thing is that this is a huge part of fighting. Without soccer kicks or knees to downed opponents it leaves huge gaps in how real fighting is vs prize fighting. I realize a lot of people are talking about "how dangerous" soccer kicks are, and they are dangerous and very effective. But I'd say no more dangerous than a high kick to a persons head.

In a real fight if one fighter is standing and the other guy is on the ground, the guy who is standing holds a tremendous advantage over the guy on the ground. But this is not true in most mma, in fact its often a "stalemate" position which is completely unrealistic of a natural fight.

I do see the reasons why soccer kicks and knees to a downed opponent are illegal, but I'd argue those are the same reasons head kicks should also be illegal.
It just looks more barbaric and when trying to gain worldwide acceptance, I don't think allowing them would be a good thing. I do agree that it is indeed a big part of fighting but I also understand why they need to stay illegal.
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The thing is SOME soccer kicks are perfectly fine, but when they are performed on an opponent who is barely defending themselves, like the one on Huerta they are unnecasary and beyond brutal. The thing is a sanctioning body can't put a rule in place where Soccer kicks are ok in some circumstances but not in others. So in my opinion they have to be banned completely.
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Soccer kicks take no skill and are gonna get someone seriously hurt one day, they should be banned.
Same could be said about guillotine chokes.
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Same could be said about guillotine chokes.
I get what you are saying but the comparison is kind of bad taking into account what he is talking about. You can't exactly tap out of a soccer kick to the head.
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Guillotine chokes don't end in concussions or broken facial bones. A guillotine chokes end in a guy being tapped out at minimum. Soccer kicks however are something I'm on the fence on.
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I get what you are saying but the comparison is kind of bad taking into account what he is talking about. You can't exactly tap out of a soccer kick to the head.
That might be one of the greatest things ever said. I literally lol'd.
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Same could be said about guillotine chokes.
This is actually more true than it sounds. The guillotine choke is actually one of the most dangerous submissions there is. Tons of people get seriously injured from it every year, its pretty common to hear about people getting paralyzed and getting life long injuries from this one submission.

The thing with this choke is that people try to "slam" out of it or get put in it then hit the floor for the take down while the guy is pressuring the neck. In fact a training partner of urijah faber (devin johnson) got paralyzed a couple months ago. The good news is that the guy who got paralyzed will likely be able to walk again. Another mma guy (zach kirk) was paralyzed from the neck down in 2009, he probably will never walk again but he's regained a little movement in his arms.

My point is that there are a lot of dangers in mma already, and a lot of them are more dangerous than soccer kicks. Is a fighter more likely to sustain a life threatening injury from a soccer kick or a guillotine choke? I'd say the guillotine choke.
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