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post #31 of 36 (permalink) Old 07-05-2012, 02:47 AM
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Is there even any scientific evidence to back up soccer kicks being more harmful than regular high kicks? Or is this just another "it looks to dangerous" thing?
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I like them, but I understand why they are illegal.
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Is there even any scientific evidence to back up soccer kicks being more harmful than regular high kicks? Or is this just another "it looks to dangerous" thing?
I don't believe there is. I imagine about as much force is transferred in both head kicks and soccer kicks. When I say "about" I'd wager a full step up soccer kick might be able to transfer more force. But the difference is if you take a flush soccer kick to the face you fall maybe a foot limp to the floor and the fight is over (if it knocks you out, a lot of times fighters would give up power just so it lands as you can see in that pride video, how many of those guys went out cold with one soccer kick?). When you take a head kick to the dome and go limp your head also has a 6~foot free fall to the floor.



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This is actually more true than it sounds. The guillotine choke is actually one of the most dangerous submissions there is. Tons of people get seriously injured from it every year, its pretty common to hear about people getting paralyzed and getting life long injuries from this one submission.

The thing with this choke is that people try to "slam" out of it or get put in it then hit the floor for the take down while the guy is pressuring the neck. In fact a training partner of urijah faber (devin johnson) got paralyzed a couple months ago. The good news is that the guy who got paralyzed will likely be able to walk again. Another mma guy (zach kirk) was paralyzed from the neck down in 2009, he probably will never walk again but he's regained a little movement in his arms.
Yes, there was a thread about that recently. The guillotine is not just a choke, but also a neck crank. I've never understood how people who have their neck stuck in a cranking hold would try to slam their way out and thereby expose their neck to extensive uncontrollable force. I mean, if you break your arm it will most likely be ok again in a month or two so you can try risky manoeuvers to avoid the tap, but everyone should know that if you break your neck it's pretty likely death or wheelchair for the rest of your life.
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Yes, there was a thread about that recently. The guillotine is not just a choke, but also a neck crank. I've never understood how people who have their neck stuck in a cranking hold would try to slam their way out and thereby expose their neck to extensive uncontrollable force. I mean, if you break your arm it will most likely be ok again in a month or two so you can try risky manoeuvers to avoid the tap, but everyone should know that if you break your neck it's pretty likely death or wheelchair for the rest of your life.
Well in sparring/rolling/training it would be a foolish thing to do. Would I attempt it if I was seconds from going unconscious against a guy in a street fight? Almost certainly. There comes a time when you're in a guys closed guard and the guy has got you dead to rights and you really don't want to participate in a game of hide the spice bottle (i love bas). In those situations I can see why people do it. With fighters it might be that willingness to risk it to win for whatever reason and in a fight you don't always see things clearly, you see an out and you take it.

Other times it can't be helped. You're shooting in or you're tied up and the guy goes for it when you're in motion to take it to the floor.



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Well I believe your kicks, knees and elbows are one of the deadliest weapons in the human arsenal. Kicks probably the most dangerous because of the momentum you gain when you swing for a kick sometimes. The force behind the kick can kill someone and I could understand why it's illegal...

But I do miss those soccer kicks and head stomps like in Pride.
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