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post #11 of 33 (permalink) Old 08-21-2012, 10:13 AM
 
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I actually agree with Cyborg (except the disrespectful comments about Rousey).

Ronda has cleaned out the BW division. She is fully capable of making FW, has faught there before, and at FW there is a super fight that everyone wants to see. I see the ball being in her park. It's not "Rousey doing something for Cyborg". Cyborg will not HAVE to be off the steroids, so for this fight I think the mention is irrelevent. Rousey is easily able to fight at FW and really has completley no reason no to. If she haden't made a big deal about it, it wouldnt have been like she is "giving in".

Rousey Vs Cyborg at FW! If Rousey doesn't want to move up, Cyborg can just wait until Strikeforce feeds her other fighters to knockout until she gets the belt back. Steroids or not she still smashes their faces in.
Wow. Really?

Bold reply - Except she is the champion at 135, and actually holds legit victories, and would only be moving up to face a steroid using freak. Cyborg has NO belt and could easily make 135 if she wasn't a steroid abuser.

Cyborg has no say at all in my eyes. She either does what Rousey wants or pisses off. Rousey would be entirely in her right to refuse ever to fight her, let alone moving weight classes to do so.
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I don't get how you could have got that from that line. I said:-

"This fight will HAVE to be off the steroids", as in there is no way it can be ON the steroids because everyone's eyes are on Cyborg and what she has taken. Regardless of the past, THIS fight will HAVE to be clean.
Erm, you said: "Cyborg will not HAVE to be off the steroids, so for this fight I think the mention is irrelevent."

That is an exact copy and paste from your post.




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Wow. Really?

Bold reply - Except she is the champion at 135, and actually holds legit victories, and would only be moving up to face a steroid using freak. Cyborg has NO belt and could easily make 135 if she wasn't a steroid abuser.

Cyborg has no say at all in my eyes. She either does what Rousey wants or pisses off. Rousey would be entirely in her right to refuse ever to fight her, let alone moving weight classes to do so.
Rousey claims that she can beat the "steroid using freak".
And as I said, Rousey has DEMOLISHED BW. No compition what so ever. I'm sure she knows that no one wants to see her get another 5 wins in Strikeforce against 'Random Girl A' until UFC takes Strikeforce and she is fighting in a small time promotion.

I agree with the second part. Cyborg has no say, but she doesn't really need any. Even if she gets cut from Strikeforce, she can go out and KO everyone she faces like she has always done, and wether or not she's in the main light, people WILL watch. Jewels would big big bucks to see a wrecking machine like her getting some American spotlight for their promotion. She doesn't need Rousey because again, she's the 'steroid using freak'. People don't watch her to say "That's the classiest and best woman's fighter of all time", people watch her to say "****, she smashed that chick's face in". Rousey needs this fight because it will follow her around. She's the one in the spotlight and in the media and stuff. The name "Cyborg" will be next to hers for her entire career unless this fight is made.

In summary, I think Rousey should move up regardless because she's killer her current weightclass and I'm sure Strikeforce will import female FWs to fight her. The superfight at that class makes it the clear option to me.



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Ronda should just take a catchweight fight, her options are pretty lean right now. She's talked a lot of trash about a fighter who's only been tested positive ONCE. Yet goes on like Cyborg is an everyday user. It only takes one bad choice but I think it's her first bad choice.

WMMA and MMA needs this fight, make it 140lbs and be done with it, it's too big an oppertunity to pass up on just because neither will go the other fighters weight division.
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Ronda should just take a catchweight fight, her options are pretty lean right now. She's talked a lot of trash about a fighter who's only been tested positive ONCE. Yet goes on like Cyborg is an everyday user. It only takes one bad choice but I think it's her first bad choice.
Testing once or ten times, she still gor caught. And a lot of people have been speculating about Cyborg on the roids.

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Ronda should just take a catchweight fight, her options are pretty lean right now. She's talked a lot of trash about a fighter who's only been tested positive ONCE. Yet goes on like Cyborg is an everyday user. It only takes one bad choice but I think it's her first bad choice.

WMMA and MMA needs this fight, make it 140lbs and be done with it, it's too big an oppertunity to pass up on just because neither will go the other fighters weight division.
No fighter has ever been caught the FIRST time they ever use PEDs. Just cos it's the first time she's been caught, doesn't mean it's the first time she's done it... I mean look at her:






However, I do think a catchweight fight is more realistic at this point.



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Testing once or ten times, she still gor caught. And a lot of people have been speculating about Cyborg on the roids.
that's cool and I agree on that first part, but it's speculation the rest of the time, speculation I don't totally agree with. She's had a fair few SF fights and only ever got popped after her last appearance.

She's strong, and I believe it's all natural, I just think she made one bad decision.
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Ronda should just take a catchweight fight, her options are pretty lean right now. She's talked a lot of trash about a fighter who's only been tested positive ONCE. Yet goes on like Cyborg is an everyday user. It only takes one bad choice but I think it's her first bad choice.
Once is bad enough.

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Erm, you said: "Cyborg will not HAVE to be off the steroids, so for this fight I think the mention is irrelevent."

That is an exact copy and paste from your post.
Sorry I typo like ****. I meant NOW.
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that's cool and I agree on that first part, but it's speculation the rest of the time, speculation I don't totally agree with. She's had a fair few SF fights and only ever got popped after her last appearance.

She's strong, and I believe it's all natural, I just think she made one bad decision.
You can't really believe that? She walks through everyone looking like a man amoungst young girls. Her body is huge, she is completley shredded. Of course she's been taking them for a long time, but I don't think it will stop her. I think it boosted her training, but at this point she's already a knockout beast so if she's going to KO Ronda, she still has the abilities off the juice.

I was just watching Cyborg's fights and she has been caught in armbars before. You can look at this two ways. Either these wimen don't have the ability to finish it, and if they can get it a master class armbar specialist like Rousey will easily win, or that Cyborg can get caught and still get out of the submission.



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that's cool and I agree on that first part, but it's speculation the rest of the time, speculation I don't totally agree with. She's had a fair few SF fights and only ever got popped after her last appearance.

She's strong, and I believe it's all natural, I just think she made one bad decision.
It is highly unlikely that it was a one time thing.


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