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Old 08-22-2012, 03:10 AM   #11 (permalink)
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Im not a Instructor and I can already see I've left out some points but yeah the gee is your best friend for leverage. I would definitely not tell him him to pull guard till he knows how to work from bottom.
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I will definitely take everything w/ a grain of salt.. I already researched some moves on youtube from instructors that use the gi in judo.. I'm really just looking for a direction..

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My stomach kind of turned when you said mma school. We have kids that do mma training but they are very advanced at wrestling, judo, jujitsu, and kickboxing. If he's just starting out or looking to complement his wrestling he would be better off in a judo/jujitsu school IMHO.

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I guess I misspoke.. they're not doing submissions, etc. They're learning an array of different styles. Pretty much everything you mentioned except wrestling and it's at a basic level right now. He's a yellow belt. It's actually pretty good. It would be nice if the class size were smaller so they could spend more time 1 on 1, but it is what it is. I would pay for 1 on 1, but I don't think they do that?? I guess I can ask. Either way, that's the reason I'm trying to work w/ him when he's not there. He's actually really good for his age, just trying to help him maximize his potential and he wants to learn..

Anyway, thanks again..
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Old 08-22-2012, 04:39 AM   #15 (permalink)
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take him to a real MMA gym that takes kids classes or a BJJ gym so he can work on his top and bottom game. At home go onto youtube and watch BJJ instructional vids. The 10th Planet videos are really good.

For about 2 years I practised BJJ at home with friends (I'm 155, my training partner at the time was over 220lbs). When I finally got to a proper gym my jiujitsu was really good! I took a purple belt's back and almost choked him out but I was too close to the cage so I couldn't roll over and get a body triangle and he eventually turned into guard.

2 years of wannabe BJJ + 1 year of MMA training (I only ever went to 2 NoGi classes over that whole 12 months) and I was equivalent to blue belt level. I'm not a super athlete, i'm just a flexible guy that has a lot of interest in the sport, therefore I can practice the techniques that I see without my body giving out and as it's one of my favourite things on the planet, my mind soaks it up.

Sorry for rambling but the gist of it is: Do not underestimate youtube BJJ vids!
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Old 08-22-2012, 04:50 AM   #16 (permalink)
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take him to a real MMA gym that takes kids classes or a BJJ gym so he can work on his top and bottom game. At home go onto youtube and watch BJJ instructional vids. The 10th Planet videos are really good.

For about 2 years I practised BJJ at home with friends (I'm 155, my training partner at the time was over 220lbs). When I finally got to a proper gym my jiujitsu was really good! I took a purple belt's back and almost choked him out but I was too close to the cage so I couldn't roll over and get a body triangle and he eventually turned into guard.

2 years of wannabe BJJ + 1 year of MMA training (I only ever went to 2 NoGi classes over that whole 12 months) and I was equivalent to blue belt level. I'm not a super athlete, i'm just a flexible guy that has a lot of interest in the sport, therefore I can practice the techniques that I see without my body giving out and as it's one of my favourite things on the planet, my mind soaks it up.

Sorry for rambling but the gist of it is: Do not underestimate youtube BJJ vids!


Cool thanks El Bresko, I think you tube is a great tool for your arsenal. Thank you for the input. I definitely appreciate it...
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take him to a real MMA gym that takes kids classes or a BJJ gym so he can work on his top and bottom game. At home go onto youtube and watch BJJ instructional vids. The 10th Planet videos are really good.

For about 2 years I practised BJJ at home with friends (I'm 155, my training partner at the time was over 220lbs). When I finally got to a proper gym my jiujitsu was really good! I took a purple belt's back and almost choked him out but I was too close to the cage so I couldn't roll over and get a body triangle and he eventually turned into guard.

2 years of wannabe BJJ + 1 year of MMA training (I only ever went to 2 NoGi classes over that whole 12 months) and I was equivalent to blue belt level. I'm not a super athlete, i'm just a flexible guy that has a lot of interest in the sport, therefore I can practice the techniques that I see without my body giving out and as it's one of my favourite things on the planet, my mind soaks it up.

Sorry for rambling but the gist of it is: Do not underestimate youtube BJJ vids!

Oh.. and nice job w/ the purple belt!
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Yah El Bresko is onto something because 10 minutes of BJJ class is devoted to warming up, stretching, then another 10 minutes for instructions and forty minutes of rolling around dripping in sweat and battling for your life. El Bresko was able to learn and go through all the motions already.

BUT it's extremely important to get the technique down. That can only be taught by a certified instructor with proper credentials. Tons of Black Belts out there, but ya should dig into their backgrounds. Reason I say this, it sounds like you want to take your kids far in this sport being a competitive athlete yourself. You can't stick em in a Karate gym that changed into an MMA gym. Any Gracies, Machado, 10th planet, Drysdale, Marcello Garcia affiliates, or any top camp will have a BJJ program to fast track your kids from the ground up. There's no coincidence that any fighter from those camps are top notch when it comes to the art of Brazillian Jiu Jitsu.

Basically if I had my choice I would pay any amount to train under Rickson Gracie followed by the original Royce. I've checked out a Marcello Garcia seminar, but that's later on for your kids. Great to see you're such a supportive father!
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Okay, I feel like this has gone on too long. To be honest, reading through this today with a clear head, every part of ny brain is screaming stop. As an instructor I read parents like you. I mean that with all do respect and I don't want to offend, but it is exactly how I feel. Your son is training at a gym, he has instructors that are professionals and are paid/qualified to teach him. I'm sorry but you are not. If you were an amazing wrestler that great, teach him to wrestle, something you know about. DO NOT GO ON YOUTUBE and think you can teach your son something. It will lead to far more problems, I'm sure there are plenty of things that you can show him and they will work now because he's young and would have no real chance once he gets older and people know what is happening, meanwhile he hasn't been working on anything else because he hasn't needed to. You are asking for problems, I can't tell you how to raise your son, but I will leave you with this. His instructors aren't coming into your home and telling you what manners he needs or what morals he should have, that a parent's(you) job. So let the instructors do their job and stay out of it. Like I said if you want to help him teach him to wrestle, as you said you were an all American or something along those lines, you are able to teach that, not bjj or judo. Or if you really want to teach him bjj or judo get into the adult programs and learn before you do anything more.

I am truly not trying to offend you, I'm just telling you from my experience as an instructor things like this generally don't turn out good.

Edit: if you can afford it any qualified gym will offer private lessons, though they can be pricey. If you are concerned about your sons progress I would go that route. If the head instructor is too expensive or won't do it, ask if one of the ranked belts are available, they generally are cheaper and can help a beginner just as much.

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Okay, I feel like this has gone on too long. To be honest, reading through this today with a clear head, every part of ny brain is screaming stop. As an instructor I read parents like you. I mean that with all do respect and I don't want to offend, but it is exactly how I feel. Your son is training at a gym, he has instructors that are professionals and are paid/qualified to teach him. I'm sorry but you are not. If you were an amazing wrestler that great, teach him to wrestle, something you know about. DO NOT GO ON YOUTUBE and think you can teach your son something. It will lead to far more problems, I'm sure there are plenty of things that you can show him and they will work now because he's young and would have no real chance once he gets older and people know what is happening, meanwhile he hasn't been working on anything else because he hasn't needed to. You are asking for problems, I can't tell you how to raise your son, but I will leave you with this. His instructors aren't coming into your home and telling you what manners he needs or what morals he should have, that a parent's(you) job. So let the instructors do their job and stay out of it. Like I said if you want to help him teach him to wrestle, as you said you were an all American or something along those lines, you are able to teach that, not bjj or judo. Or if you really want to teach him bjj or judo get into the adult programs and learn before you do anything more.

I am truly not trying to offend you, I'm just telling you from my experience as an instructor things like this generally don't turn out good.

Edit: if you can afford it any qualified gym will offer private lessons, though they can be pricey. If you are concerned about your sons progress I would go that route. If the head instructor is too expensive or won't do it, ask if one of the ranked belts are available, they generally are cheaper and can help a beginner just as much.

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Thank you for your input. I get what you're saying, but with all due respect, I think that going on a forum for advice is pretty far from going on too long.. I'm just trying to figure out what to do to help my kid.

I have wrestled some of the best people in the world. I don't feel like I should really have to prove myself here. I know I am capable of taking out a lot of people.

My kid is young. I know in wrestling I would be fine w/ a dad teaching double arm bars or a fireman's carry even if he wasn't a wrestler himself. I can't imagine I would ruin his technique for life this young by showing him the basics of an arm triangle or an arm bar in MMA.

Working with him 5 days a week 1 on 1 being a wrestler since 6 years old w/ a college scholarship and having him in class 2 days a week has to be better than giving just 2 days a week to an instructor w/ 30 kids.

That being said, I'm going to see if I can get a black belt to teach both my son and I the basics of BJJ.

Does anyone here have an idea of what a good price would be for a private session with my son and I?

Thanks.

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