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Old 12-26-2012, 11:00 PM   #11 (permalink)
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Old 12-26-2012, 11:01 PM   #12 (permalink)
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you should put all the details here, MMAForum is not a shameless advertising tool
OK then.
Here are few more details about formula:

Quarterly_Historical_Ranking_Count
This score is based on the number of times (from quarterly historical rankings) fighter was

- ranked in Pound for Pound rankings as: top1P4P, top5P4P, top8P4P, top20P4P

- ranked in Weight Category rankings as: top1Ctg, top3Ctg, top5Ctg, top10Ctg

- having Current Score more than: 800 points, 700 points, 600 points, 400 points



BestRankings

Score for the best rankings (combined P4P and Category rankings) achieved in the career.

If someone was at some point ranked #1 in Category, he gets 28 points.

For #1 P4P ranking you get 32 points and in addition to that you have 28 points for #1 Ctg – for maximum total of 60 points.

For #1 Ctg and #3 P4P you get total of 52 points (32 Ctg + 20 P4P).

For #3 Ctg and #10 P4P you get total of 34 points (24 Ctg + 10 P4P).

For #11 Ctg and #66 P4P you get total of 14 points (12 Ctg + 2 P4P).



MaxScore is calculated from the maximum historical Current Score.



ChampPoints represents points from the championship fights.
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Old 12-26-2012, 11:03 PM   #13 (permalink)
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And here are some numbers behind all this:

# Fighter ATT Ctg first Fight F W L max CS best P4P best Ctg top10
1 Anderson Silva 1142.2 185 1997-06-25 37 33 4 995.5 1 1 43
2 Georges St. Pierre 1118.5 170 2002-01-25 25 23 2 977.5 1 1 40
3 Fedor Emelianenko 1080.9 265 2000-05-21 39 34 4 950.0 1 1 40
4 Matt Hughes 988.1 170 1998-01-01 54 45 9 861.9 2 1 50
5 Antonio Rodrigo Nogueira 945.8 265 1999-06-12 43 34 7 829.1 1 1 51
6 Chuck Liddell 943.4 205 1998-05-15 29 21 8 983.9 1 1 33
7 Dan Henderson 920.6 185 1997-06-15 37 29 8 830.8 1 1 52
8 B.J. Penn 911.0 155 2001-05-04 27 16 9 897.5 1 1 45
9 Wanderlei Silva 905.4 185 1996-11-01 48 34 12 860.6 1 1 39
10 Bas Rutten 889.5 265 1993-09-21 33 28 4 830.1 1 1 28
11 Randy Couture 860.6 205 1997-05-30 30 19 11 829.2 1 1 45
12 Quinton Jackson 853.8 205 1999-11-13 42 32 10 930.8 1 1 38
13 Tito Ortiz 818.7 205 1997-05-30 28 16 11 807.8 1 1 37
14 Jose Aldo 801.5 145 2004-08-10 22 21 1 878.8 3 1 19
15 Mauricio Rua 795.7 205 2002-11-08 28 21 7 869.4 2 1 30
16 Jon Jones 790.0 205 2008-04-12 18 17 1 948.6 2 1 10
17 Takanori Gomi 786.5 155 1998-11-27 43 34 8 818.9 4 1 38
18 Lyoto Machida 774.1 205 2003-05-02 21 18 3 900.7 2 1 28
19 Frank Shamrock 763.2 185 1994-12-16 35 23 10 745.8 1 1 30
20 Mirko Filipovic 749.7 265 2001-08-19 40 27 10 876.0 2 1 24
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Old 12-27-2012, 09:56 AM   #14 (permalink)
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Meh, I respect the work you put into it. I'm not arguing any numbers or formulas you are using.

But just by the eye test and history I put Dan Henderson higher and Rampage lower. Also not sure why Ken Shamrock makes it but Royce doesn't?
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Old 12-27-2012, 10:43 AM   #15 (permalink)
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Meh, I respect the work you put into it. I'm not arguing any numbers or formulas you are using.

But just by the eye test and history I put Dan Henderson higher and Rampage lower. Also not sure why Ken Shamrock makes it but Royce doesn't?
Because it's Frank who should be much higher. The biggest issue I would have is this is a GOAT list not p4p. Tito doesn't belong on a p4p list, Tito is sub.500 against real LHW's.

As for who is the p4p greatest...I think Matt Hughes and his wins over BJ and GSP rank him as #1. You say Anderson Silva is the best p4p but look at the list he's only beaten 1 other guy (Dan Henderson) on the list.

I think p4p I would go
1. Hughes
2. Fedor
3. Henderson
4. GSP
5. Couture
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Old 12-27-2012, 12:06 PM   #16 (permalink)
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Meh, I respect the work you put into it. I'm not arguing any numbers or formulas you are using.

But just by the eye test and history I put Dan Henderson higher and Rampage lower. Also not sure why Ken Shamrock makes it but Royce doesn't?
Actually I do have Royce on the list, just is a little bit lower:

33. Ken Shamrock - ( 682 )
34. Cain Velasquez - ( 679 )
35. Benson Henderson - ( 678 )
36. Renato Sobral - ( 674 )
37. Hayato Sakurai - ( 668 )
38. Jake Shields - ( 667 )
39. Vitor Belfort - ( 657 )
40. Paulo Filho - ( 655 )
41. Royce Gracie - ( 652 )

Now, you can argue that Royce should be higher.
I say, he was dominant in 1994, but most of the fighters in those first few UFC tournaments had no name and no skills.
Ken had much better competition in Pancrase and later in UFC.

But it is close - 30 points difference.
This career graph might help here:



Ken had higher peaks and a longer career, but overall their historical career line looks similar.
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Old 12-27-2012, 03:36 PM   #17 (permalink)
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Oh man I hope they never come up with a (PER) for MMA like they did for the NBA. John Hollinger created it when Lebron James was in his third season to basically show how great of a player he was. It's such a flawed stat though.

Here is link to Player Efficiency Rating (PER) if anyone cares...

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