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Old 01-08-2013, 02:50 PM   #11 (permalink)
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You are missing the point. It wasn't about talent. It's about having people in a HoF that weren't even with the company. It isn't UFC Fighting. It's MMA fighting. Are they going to put Fedor in? He was never in the UFC but he is surely a hall of famer. I would bet almost anything he doesn't make it.

This HoF has no credibility whatsoever when 1 company in the entire sport is choosing who gets in when equal level fighters aren't with them.


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I disagree completely. I think level of talent is a factor and I don't think it discredits the HOF at all. It would be a major difference if they put someone like Hector Lombard into the HOF based on his past wins. But not only did the guys mentioned beat top ranked fighters it was with an organization that is owned and then absorbed into Zuffa. Zuffa sell Pride merchandise and still broadcast best of Pride TV shows. It's not like there is no affiliation between Pride and UFC. Which is why someone like Urijah Faber and even Miguel Torres should atleast get consideration IMO. But that is just my opinion.
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I disagree completely. I think level of talent is a factor and I don't think it discredits the HOF at all. It would be a major difference if they put someone like Hector Lombard into the HOF based on his past wins. But not only did the guys mentioned beat top ranked fighters it was with an organization that is owned and then absorbed into Zuffa. Zuffa sell Pride merchandise and still broadcast best of Pride TV shows. It's not like there is no affiliation between Pride and UFC. Which is why someone like Urijah Faber and even Miguel Torres should atleast get consideration IMO. But that is just my opinion.
The problem is 1, if they take people outside that deserve to be in, it's no longer the "UFC" HoF.

2. They have the ability to be very biased since it is the UFC HoF as they can leave out fighters like Fedor who deserves to be in before any current UFC HW today does.

If it is only UFC fighters, it doesn't really mean much as it won't include all of the actual great fighters. It's a joke.

And my comparison wasn't comparing skill, just showing how stupid it would be for 1 company to induct people into the HoF from other companies.


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You are missing the point. It wasn't about talent. It's about having people in a HoF that weren't even with the company. It isn't UFC Fighting. It's MMA fighting. Are they going to put Fedor in? He was never in the UFC but he is surely a hall of famer. I would bet almost anything he doesn't make it.

This HoF has no credibility whatsoever when 1 company in the entire sport is choosing who gets in when equal level fighters aren't with them.

Are they going to put a Bellator fighter in if he never comes to the UFC? Doubtful.


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Fighter that are not in the ufc hould not be in the UFC HOF but if a fighter is in the UFC should his whole career be taken into account or just his career in the UFC?
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The problem is 1, if they take people outside that deserve to be in, it's no longer the "UFC" HoF.

2. They have the ability to be very biased since it is the UFC HoF as they can leave out fighters like Fedor who deserves to be in before any current UFC HW today does.

If it is only UFC fighters, it doesn't really mean much as it won't include all of the actual great fighters. It's a joke.

And my comparison wasn't comparing skill, just showing how stupid it would be for 1 company to induct people into the HoF from other companies.


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I would understand if we were talking about guys like Fedor that never stepped foot into the UFC. But the guys being talked about have all fought in the UFC and won fights in the UFC. So for those people I personally think accomplishments not in the UFC should be a factor. Not the only factor of course which is why Fedor shouldn't get consideration.
Also what I was saying about your comparison is I don't like it because of variety of other factors, to me it's more then just saying it didn't happen under this logo.
Since there are major differences in your comparisons like skill level and eventual ownership. Since Arena League and NFL are not related businesses and PRIDE and UFC are. I was just pointing out that I think there are other key factors other then being in a different organization. IMO it matter that the separate organization feature equal or better talent and it also matters that that organization was eventually bought out and folded into the UFC.
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I would understand if we were talking about guys like Fedor that never stepped foot into the UFC. But the guys being talked about have all fought in the UFC and won fights in the UFC. So for those people I personally think accomplishments not in the UFC should be a factor. Not the only factor of course which is why Fedor shouldn't get consideration.
Also what I was saying about your comparison is I don't like it because of variety of other factors, to me it's more then just saying it didn't happen under this logo.
Since there are major differences in your comparisons like skill level and eventual ownership. Since Arena League and NFL are not related businesses and PRIDE and UFC are. I was just pointing out that I think there are other key factors other then being in a different organization. IMO it matter that the separate organization feature equal or better talent and it also matters that that organization was eventually bought out and folded into the UFC.
Ok forget the comparison.

The point is if it is only fighters who have fought in the UFC, it is meaningless as there are Hall of Fame fighters that aren't and weren't in he UFC. So it isn't actually the best of the best. It's just the best of whoever Dana and company thought should get in.


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Ok forget the comparison.

The point is if it is only fighters who have fought in the UFC, it is meaningless as there are Hall of Fame fighters that aren't and weren't in he UFC. So it isn't actually the best of the best. It's just the best of whoever Dana and company thought should get in.


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I agree 100% with that. It's definitely not the best way for casual fans to see who the best in the sport over the years are. It does have alot to do with if Dana and Zuffa likes you. Like Frank Shamrock should be a UFC HOFer. Hell Dan Hardy and Chris Leben might get consideration for the UFC HOF lol
So I agree that it's a complete joke to begin with.
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I agree 100% with that. It's definitely not the best way for casual fans to see who the best in the sport over the years are. It does have alot to do with if Dana and Zuffa likes you. Like Frank Shamrock should be a UFC HOFer. Hell Dan Hardy and Chris Leben might get consideration for the UFC HOF lol
So I agree that it's a complete joke to begin with.
lol funny that i was thinking about frank not being in the UFC HOF too

great minds think alike i guess
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lol funny that i was thinking about frank not being in the UFC HOF too

great minds think alike i guess
lol yeah it's one of the biggest things you can point to with Dana and Zuffa not being fair with the UFC HOF.
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So I agree that it's a complete joke to begin with.
i agree it was a complete Joke in the beginning but i think slowly but surely it is going to start to hold some merit.
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