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The definition of the word "woman" is human female, a human of the female gender. Woman is a term used to point out what the human version of say a "bitch" is in dog terms, which is a female dog, or a "doe" is a female deer - a "woman" is a female human.

The definition of "female" clearly states that is a gender that can give birth, of or denoting the sex that produces ova or bears young. Designating an organ, such as a pistil or ovary, that functions in producing seeds after fertilization. These are the definitions of "female", which in turn is what a "woman" is.

The definitions are extremely clear, you can muddle it up however you want or give yourself your own definition, but males who go through operations to try to become female are not female, neither are they women by the actual definition of the word, as they are not female.

so a woman who cannot bear children is no longer female?

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so a woman who cannot bear children is no longer female?
Find me a definition of female that does not include bearing of chldren, ovaries, the ability to give birth. If a female someday cannot bear children, then that is a woman who has been damaged. She was born with woman traits, biological levels, ability, etc. She is a woman that can no longer bear children.

The definition of "woman" is a human female. The same a we call a doe a female deer or a female dog a bitch, or a "man" a male human. A woman IS a female by definition, just of the human kind.

If you are born a man with man abilities/Plantagenet/biological/physical traits, and then you get an operation, yet have no traits of an actual female, then you are not female.
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so a woman who cannot bear children is no longer female?
You beat me to the punch Hex, repping you for that. This is a very valid point, gender is more socially defined than that.

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How is a man who becomes a woman still a man, or a woman becoming a man, how are they still a woman? Also, why do you put the transitioned sex in quotes? Seems a little strange.
A man who becomes a woman cannot get pregnant. A man who becomes a woman cannot naturally lactate. A man who becomes a woman does not undergo a natural monthly period. And a woman who becomes a man does not magically sprout an adam's apple or penis. My point is that we can subject men and women to countless surgeries, pills, and serums, but at the end of the day, these are cosmetic and nothing more. Inside, and we're talking biologically and not spiritually, you're either male or female (barring rare exceptions, which aren't the topic here).

It's not my intent to be insulting. I can't imagine how much it must stink to be a transgender and hear everyone tell you, 'You shouldn't do this or be involved in that'. I'm not in your position and so I'll never fully be able to appreciate or understand your point of view. That's the sad reality we face... I can grasp your points, your wants, and so forth, but I'll never fully be able to appreciate them.

But that goes both ways. If you were to step in a ring with a woman tomorrow, I'd not be able to help but see what is in my world a man fighting a woman. Because to me, you were born a man, still have male functions, and are a man internally. I know you can't appreciate how I feel about the situation, but again, that's our dilemma... we'll always be on two different wavelengths regarding certain issues.

It doesn't necessarily make me a bad person. I've often championed equality, but some areas are more sensitive than others, and rightfully so. This is one of those areas for me.
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Find me a definition of female that does not include bearing of chldren, ovaries, the ability to give birth. If a female someday cannot bear children, then that is a woman who has been damaged. She was born with woman traits, biological levels, ability, etc. She is a woman that can no longer bear children.

The definition of "woman" is a human female. The same a we call a doe a female deer or a female dog a bitch, or a "man" a male human. A woman IS a female by definition, just of the human kind.

If you are born a man with man abilities/Plantagenet/biological/physical traits, and then you get an operation, yet have no traits of an actual female, then you are not female.
You made it about birth-giving, lol. just asking.

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You beat me to the punch Hex, repping you for that. This is a very valid point, gender is more socially defined than that.

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No, it's not. The definition of woman and female are quite clear.
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No, it's not. The definition of woman and female are quite clear.
Actually it's fairly complicated.

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You beat me to the punch Hex, repping you for that. This is a very valid point, gender is more socially defined than that.

I grew breasts from my hormones, that's a characteristic specific to females.

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I also second MC's points regarding birth. A woman who can't bear a child is no less a female because she has the internal organs for doing so. Men turned women do not. You show me a pregnant man and I'll concede.
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A man who becomes a woman cannot get pregnant. A man who becomes a woman cannot naturally lactate. A man who becomes a woman does not undergo a natural monthly period. And a woman who becomes a man does not magically sprout an adam's apple or penis. My point is that we can subject men and women to countless surgeries, pills, and serums, but at the end of the day, these are cosmetic and nothing more. Inside, and we're talking biologically and not spiritually, you're either male or female (barring rare exceptions, which aren't the topic here).

It's not my intent to be insulting. I can't imagine how much it must stink to be a transgender and hear everyone tell you, 'You shouldn't do this or be involved in that'. I'm not in your position and so I'll never fully be able to appreciate or understand your point of view. That's the sad reality we face... I can grasp your points, your wants, and so forth, but I'll never fully be able to appreciate them.

But that goes both ways. If you were to step in a ring with a woman tomorrow, I'd not be able to help but see what is in my world a man fighting a woman. Because to me, you were born a man, still have male functions, and are a man internally. I know you can't appreciate how I feel about the situation, but again, that's our dilemma... we'll always be on two different wavelengths regarding certain issues.

It doesn't necessarily make me a bad person. I've often championed equality, but some areas are more sensitive than others, and rightfully so. This is one of those areas for me.
Some guys can lactate. Seriously, its why the nipples are there. plus the mammary gland. :/

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