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If you find it offensive I'm sorry, but it doesn't change anything. it's not my job to stifle what is reality and what is the actual definition of things just so it doesn't hurt your feelings. If you can't take it then I am sorry, but I'm not going to pretend reality isn't reality, and that a guy walking around with a removed penis and injections is a woman.

I'm not trying to be mean or disrespectful, I'm a pretty nice guy and most people here know it, but reality is reality, definitions are there for a reason, they define the words we use.

I have no issues with him wanting to be a woman, or with you wanting to be a woman, or with your choice to do whatever it is you want with your body, that's all on you and I'm glad you have an outlet to change such things, but I'm not going to stifle what is reality just cause it makes you feel uncomfortable.
From a legal standpoint, Fallon is a female.

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It also comes down to a Human Rights thing. Fallon has made the necessary strides to be considered a woman, in spite of emotional, psychological and physical trauma/turmoil/heartache. And has earnt the right to be called a woman.

But MC, I know you're a nice guy, this is a touchy area fo sho!

I've known close to 15 T-Girls over the years, and I always show the common courtesey of calling them female...I feel they earnt that right...it ain't an easy road
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From a legal standpoint, Fallon is a female.

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He is not a female by definition.

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Female (♀) is the sex of an organism, or a part of an organism, which produces non-mobile ova (egg cells). Most female mammals, including human females, have two X chromosomes.
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a person bearing two X chromosomes in the cell nuclei and normally having a vagina, a uterus and ovaries, and developing at puberty a relatively rounded body and enlarged breasts, and retaining a beardless face; a girl or woman.
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an organism of the sex or sexual phase that normally produces egg cells.
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of or denoting the sex that can bear offspring or produce eggs, distinguished biologically by the production of gametes (ova) that can be fertilized by male gametes
There are many sources. A man with a removed penis and some injections is not a female.

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It also comes down to a Human Rights thing. Fallon has made the necessary strides to be considered a woman, in spite of emotional, psychological and physical trauma/turmoil/heartache. And has earnt the right to be called a woman.

But MC, I know you're a nice guy, this is a touchy area fo sho!

I've known close to 15 T-Girls over the years, and I always show the common courtesey of calling them female...I feel they earnt that right...it ain't an easy road
If a person wishes to be called a female then that is fine, people have the right to ask to be called whatever they want, as you said I'm a nice guy I'm not here trying to be rude to Cowgirl or whoever, I'm just pointing out what is there.
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He is not a female by definition.









There are many sources. A man with a removed penis and some injections is not a female.



If a person wishes to be called a female then that is fine, people have the right to ask to be called whatever they want, as you said I'm a nice guy I'm not here trying to be rude to Cowgirl or whoever, I'm just pointing out what is there.
Is it not fairly obvious that Fallon wants to be referred to as a female?

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Is it not fairly obvious that Fallon wants to be referred to as a female?
Sure. It doesn't mean everybody has to oblige and it doesn't mean if someone doesn't oblige, that they are being rude or mean or whatever (not saying you said this). Reality is there and if some people want to play along and call him a woman/she/her, that is perfectly acceptable and there's nothing wrong with that in fact I support people's rights to be who they want/act how they want, anything, it's your life by all means live it.

Just don't expect everyone to do so or play along.
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So yeah back on topic....that license is under review huh?
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Fallon Fox's driver's license says female. She could legally have her birth certificate ammended if she hasn't already. She's legally recognized as a female. A simplistic dictionary definition is just that. Simplistic, and hence, incomplete.

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Sure. It doesn't mean everybody has to oblige and it doesn't mean if someone doesn't oblige, that they are being rude or mean or whatever (not saying you said this). Reality is there and if some people want to play along and call him a woman/she/her, that is perfectly acceptable and there's nothing wrong with that in fact I support people's rights to be who they want/act how they want, anything, it's your life by all means live it.

Just don't expect everyone to do so or play along.
I've met enough resistance to understand that not everyone is going to oblige, but I think for the sake of healthy discussion that we all use the correct pronoun.

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