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Fallon Fox's driver's license says female. She could legally have her birth certificate ammended if she hasn't already. She's legally recognized as a female. A simplistic dictionary definition is just that. Simplistic, and hence, incomplete.
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I've met enough resistance to understand that not everyone is going to oblige, but I think for the sake of healthy discussion that we all use the correct pronoun.
Actually I'm pretty much done with the debate in general, I provided my stance/point on the actual subject(which is he can fight whenever he wishes so long as he is approved by medical staff), all the other stuff was sort of an off the trail kind of thing, not important enough to derail the thread anymore.

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Can you share the correct definition with us?
It would be similar to MC's definitions, but include the word, "usually." In almost 2% of cases, the absolute definition fails. Such as androgen insensitivity syndrome, Mayer-Rokitansky-Kuster-Hauser syndrome, and many other cases. People can't just brush these cases off when crafting a definition just because it makes them reconsider their position on if a trans person is male or female. That's cognitive dissonance, not an argument.

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How is a man who becomes a woman still a man, or a woman becoming a man, how are they still a woman?
So this is really a cat, right Cowgirl? Let's not say anything else or he would be offended, given all the hard work he underwent to become a cat...




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Now that is just baiting.

Lets keep this on topic.
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Now that is just baiting.

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No. It's not baiting at all. Fallon is not a woman. Period. Wow, did I say "period"? Fallon has no idea what a "period" means, because he never been a woman, therefore he does not have to deal with PMS, so there lies a clear advantage for him.

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Edit: And still about the baiting accusation, that picture answers directly to the quote. It's not because you wanted so much to transform yourself in something else that you will actually become that something else literally.


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Through taking a male hormone Cyborg has advantages over the "normal" woman, it is understandable why such chemical manipulation is not allowed by either sex. Now on the other hand living in excess of 30 years with full on male hormones running your system, then to surgically remove physical sex identification, to market oneself as the opposite sex is a bit of a fraud. Wait a few more years and let the estrogen therapy really kick in and it may bring the tables back to near even; but is still fraud just the same.

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It's not because you wanted so much to transform yourself in something else that you will actually become that something else literally.
With all due respect, a person any gender attempting to be a cat is nothing at all like one gender transitioning to another. That's all I have to say on that matter. Back on topic though, no one I know of on this board is a member of the commission which granted her the license to fight. If the commission says she's a woman, and legally she's a woman, then let her fight as a woman.

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