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post #161 of 172 (permalink) Old 03-11-2013, 10:07 PM
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whatever screw it, this topic has gone on too long, if someone born as one thing thinks there another and then ha surgery to become it let them think that they are that even though it's falsehood. Oh I don't like being a white guy anymore let me have surgery to be hispanic or black now and then tell everyone that's what I really am


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post #162 of 172 (permalink) Old 03-11-2013, 10:28 PM
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lol i thought i saw you over on the UG contradicting me. This was Hilary IIRC.

edit... or maybe not. could have been one of crooklyn's interviewees maybe?
Lol, yeah I remember that. We probably didn't need to quibble on a side issue considering we both had the same opinion on Chael's "hypogonadism" being either nonexistent or steroid induced. Sorry if I was way too pushy.

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With all due respect, a person any gender attempting to be a cat is nothing at all like one gender transitioning to another. That's all I have to say on that matter. Back on topic though, no one I know of on this board is a member of the commission which granted her the license to fight. If the commission says she's a woman, and legally she's a woman, then let her fight as a woman.
Please enlighten us.


On topic: Sex-determination is not nearly as complicated as you guys make it out to be. The presence of the Y chromosome in mammals indicates maleness and the absence femaleness. Most of the cases that aren't black and white somehow relate to aneuploidy 23 or some abnormality with the SRY gene. Nonetheless, from a biological standpoint the only thing that matters is the y chromosome.

The whole gender vs sex thing has no real scientific basis. You can make stuff like that up about anything. Take the cat guy for instance. We could say his species is human, but his identity is cat because he feels like a cat on the inside. It doesn't mean anything.

People have decided to switch genders because they want to and I'm fine with that, but Fallon Fox is as much a women as cat guy is a cat. You can act like something you aren't and get surgery to make yourself look like something you aren't, but at the end of the day it is your DNA that determines what you are.




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Please enlighten us.
Quite simply, Humans transitioning between human genders is far different from Humans crossing species. I support cat guy to do whatever he wants to do, but it's not the same as being transgender or transsexual.

That having been said, this is where I make my exit from this thread, it hits too close to home and is too far removed from the original topic. Great talking to everyone though

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Quite simply, Humans transitioning between human genders is far different from Humans crossing species. I support cat guy to do whatever he wants to do, but it's not the same as being transgender or transsexual.

That having been said, this is where I make my exit from this thread, it hits too close to home and is too far removed from the original topic. Great talking to everyone though
You forgot the part where you explain your logic.




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Let it go SPG, this thread has deviated too far from the original topic.
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How in the world did cross species topics get into this?

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Transgender and it's flawed logic is the topic, you can't use flawed logic to go around beating up women. By all definitions (chromosomal, reproductive, body/bone structure and simple eyes and common sense), removed sex organs and some added hormones do not make a woman. If the person involved is an mma fan and dreams of beating up women in mma, tough luck. Sometimes dreams are incompatible, either choose the op or choose mma. In any case the op is reversible to some extent, so there's always the choice there to go back and practice mma with men.

Cowgirl is a good, calm, polite person and has some great humor and insights on MMA as a poster. I can't play party to this delusion of political correctness though. He deserves everyone's courtesy and respect as a person and poster, but you can't force people to accept a false reality just because you want it. This whole thing about using the correct pronoun without any sort of logic just sounds like a child's tantrum. I'm sorry, one can't earn the right to a lie, it just doesn't work that way. One can't earn the right to call the grass purple, go ahead and call it what you want, other people will still call it green because that's what they see.

I don't see why an obviously flawed and incomplete operation to pretend a false reality, with ALL OF SOCIETY forced to play along, is the only solution to the condition or desire to transform? Cowgirl said it's about a condition like depression, then why not address it psychologically and discuss the root issues and desires involved, with care, sensitivity and attention, instead of surgically? The op isn't even that old, how did people cope before that?

MC and SPG have already brought up the logic, definitions and paralells so I'm not going to belabor the point ... no matter how nice the emperor, someone is always going to point out the lack of clothes.
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Great, now can you perform an operation to transform regular green lawn grass into that Taiwanese purple grass? Maybe some spray paint will do the trick? Glue some blades together to make them thicker? Inject some sap from the purple into the green? Maybe all the interdependent species and ecosystem of the purple grass will be fooled too. Maybe the required climate conditions, soil conditions etc. of the green grass will suddenly become the same as the purple one the moment you paint it. Oh wait, leave the paint on for a couple of years, that'll do the trick.

Or maybe the paint will just look like what it is, paint. Maybe you cannot replicate any of the thousands of nuances of the Taiwanese grass in it's ecosystem with just a dab of spraypaint. Maybe the green grass was beautiful as it was, and the purple beautiful as it was, and they complement each other wonderfully.
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