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Old 03-06-2013, 01:12 PM   #21 (permalink)
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I'm assuming all of you are aware of the movie Juwanna Mann. It just instantly comes to mind with the silly Kobe comment.
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Old 03-06-2013, 01:29 PM   #22 (permalink)
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Yep, I posted 1 link about her. But it was a major story at the time and it was a story that lasted awhile. I just thought it was similar since in that case it was also about physical advantages.
I wasn't trying to post a subject that would turn ugly. I was just posting because this is an issue that was bound to come up sooner or later with the rise of WMMA. I think there is room for respectful debate.
Didn't she turn out to actually not be transgender in the end? Sorry I can't get on your link off my phone.

I remember it being a horribly unfair scenario in the way that she was treated.


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Old 03-06-2013, 01:37 PM   #23 (permalink)
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Didn't she turn out to actually not be transgender in the end? Sorry I can't get on your link off my phone.

I remember it being a horribly unfair scenario in the way that she was treated.


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I'm really not sure what the results were, it's tough to tell since there was so much made about how it was handled and her rights to privacy and all that. But seeing how she was allowed to keep competing I would guess she turned out not to be transgendered. But I think there was some kind of medical condition, but alot of that stuff is private.
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Muscle growth is heavily influenced by hormones so if her hormone levels are the same as a woman's I don't see why she shouldn't be allowed to fight other women.
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Muscle growth is heavily influenced by hormones so if her hormone levels are the same as a woman's I don't see why she shouldn't be allowed to fight other women.
I'd argue that a year or two of having hormone levels of a woman does not make equal as she spent 30 years with hormone levels of a man. I doubt that benefit would just disappear.

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I'd argue that a year or two of having hormone levels of a woman does not make equal as she spent 30 years with hormone levels of a man. I doubt that benefit would just disappear.

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Yeah I'm not very sure either, since I'm not educated on this subject or all the details. But wouldn't any hormone or muscular advantage she had disappear over time if her levels were lowered? I would think the body would adapt and she would no longer be able to maintain the same advantages. But again, I'm ignorant on the subject and just thinking out loud.
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I think she'd probably always have a slight advantage over other women but if her passport and hormones say "female" I don't think anyone has the right to tell her she can't compete.
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If "she" has an advantage in strength or whatever because of the past, then "she" should not be fighting other women. If there is no such advantage, then I see no problem with it.

It will all come down to being able to provide evidence on the subject to tell if it's fair or not. It'll be interesting to see where it goes.
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This is horrible. He shouldn't be allowed to compete with women in a professional sport were strength plays such a big role. What he needs to do is grow some balls and compete with men his own size.
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