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Cookie Monster 04-19-2013 02:00 PM

UFC boss Dana White gives take on transgender fighters, offers Mitrione update
 
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SAN JOSE, Calif. UFC President Dana White said he's spoken with Matt Mitrione, and he's no longer upset at the heavyweight following his unfortunate transphobic remarks. However, Mitrione is still on indefinite suspension, and he was issued a significant fine, to boot.

"I'm not mad at Mitrione," White said at today's pre-UFC on FOX 7 media session. "He did something stupid. He knows he did something stupid. He knows the way he said it, he didn't handle it the right way. He knows he did, so I can respect that.

"We'll let him know when we decide (how long the suspension will last). He was fined, too enough to make him call me three times. I bet he'll think. I bet before words come out of his mouth he's going to go, 'I better not say that. That's not good. That's going to cost me some money.'"

This past week, during an appearance on The MMA Hour, Mitrione called transgender fighter Fallon Fox a "lying, sick, sociopathic, disgusting freak." In response, the UFC issued statement saying the heavyweight's contract had been suspended while the incident was investigated.

White said that investigation included a phone call with the heavyweight, who was immediately regretful for his choice of words.

"From the first day we talked, he handled the whole thing like a man," White told MMAjunkie.com (www.mmajunkie.com). "He said some ignorant comments that made him sound like a complete jackass and a bigot. He knew what he said was wrong."

The incident and Fox, herself have become hot-button topics in MMA as the community tries to educate itself on the plight of transgender fighters while also determining how to treat them moving forward. White said he's all for healthy debate and even suggested he doesn't currently believe a woman born as a man should be allowed to compete against other women. However, he said Mitrione's approach to the situation was simply not appropriate.

"It's not that I don't necessarily agree with what [Mitrione] was saying because I have the same issue with a man who becomes a woman," White said. "You have different bone structure. You have a different jawline. You have all the things of a man. It's completely different. But he knew what he did was wrong. If he was standing in front of a panel or a judge, and he was arguing on why someone who used to be a man shouldn't be allowed to fight a woman, he wouldn't have said it the way that he said it. He would have said it completely different, and there's nothing wrong with having a point of view.

"Everybody's crying, 'Oh, it's freedom of speech.' Yeah, OK. Work at any company in the world, OK, and give your opinion where you come off sounding like an ignorant bigot and see how long you last with that company. He could have done it the right way, and nobody would have said anything to him. He can have an opinion. It's just how you state your opinion."

For now, the state of Florida has agreed on Fox's right to compete as a woman, leading some to question White as to whether or not he would allow her to compete in the UFC. White has chosen to largely deflect the issue by pointing out Fox is nowhere near UFC ready.

"The Fallon Fox thing, I mean I don't even think about it," White said. "Fallon Fox is so far from being in the UFC. It's like talking about some lower level guy that fights in some smaller organization that's beat people with losing records, and we're seriously debating about the guy."

That said, White knows it's an issue that's not going to just go away but admits he's not the most qualified individual to make a ruling on the future of transgender athletes in the sport.

In 2004, the International Olympic Committee adopted a set of rules that outlined the requirement for a transgender athlete to compete, a set of guidelines that requires surgery and at least two years of hormone therapy. But thus far, the Olympics has yet to see a transgender athlete compete in a combat sport, such as boxing. White said he'll likely use the IOC's precedent whenever it's ultimately set as a guiding principle.

"My thought was that running, pole vaulting and doing all these things is whatever, but when you actually get physical and you start punching? But I'll leave that up to people that are smarter than me," White said. "If scientists want to go in and say if you get this operation done and the hormones that you get put on change your physical structure and your strength, I'll leave it up to the professionals and let them decide.

"If this thing happens at an Olympic level, and I mean an Olympic level where there's a combat sport that accepts it, I'm sure they're going to do the homework, and smarter people than me will make that decision."

In the meantime, Mitrione will remain on the sidelines until further notice. White would not reveal the amount of the fine (though he did say Mitrione's reaction was, 'Come on dude, seriously. This much?'). But he said he's ready to forgive and move on.

"He did he right thing," White said. "If he got on the phone and said, 'Hey, I've got my freedom of speech, and I can say what I want,' I guess to a point he's right. You just can't work here if you want to say stupid stuff like that. You can say whatever you want. Not in here, though."
http://www.mmajunkie.com/news/2013/0...itrione-update

Posting this because there was some discussion that Meathead should have been fined and left alone, now Dana offers his insight. I did a search and didn't see this posted so I hope it's not a duplicate.

Ape City 04-19-2013 03:52 PM

I'm seriously curious how much he was fined. I also wasn't aware the UFC itself could fine it's own fighters, I always thought only the athletic commissions did that. Thanks for posting, was a good read. I'd rep but gotta spread.

rul3z 04-19-2013 05:31 PM

A person talking about other fools who do a gender transform gets fined?!!!!

What a LAME, DREADFUL, and SICK world we live in!!!

FORZA Mitrione

deadmanshand 04-19-2013 05:36 PM

Dana actually comes off as thoughtful and intelligent here. Kind of a nice change.

Cookie Monster 04-19-2013 07:11 PM

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Originally Posted by Ape City (Post 1996226)
I'm seriously curious how much he was fined. I also wasn't aware the UFC itself could fine it's own fighters, I always thought only the athletic commissions did that. Thanks for posting, was a good read. I'd rep but gotta spread.

I wonder the same thing, I hope we find out eventually.

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Originally Posted by rul3z (Post 1996426)
A person talking about other fools who do a gender transform gets fined?!!!!

What a LAME, DREADFUL, and SICK world we live in!!!

FORZA Mitrione

I suggest you look back on the other threads on this matter, this is not a thread to discuss that matter, as it has been discussed ad naseaum
already.
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Originally Posted by deadmanshand (Post 1996442)
Dana actually comes off as thoughtful and intelligent here. Kind of a nice change.

It is a rare occurance haha :p

Ape City 04-19-2013 07:24 PM

Probably one of Dana's most level headed responses. I kinda feel like someone wrote it for him. Just doesn't have his style attached.

Cookie Monster 04-19-2013 07:44 PM

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Originally Posted by Ape City (Post 1996698)
Probably one of Dana's most level headed responses. I kinda feel like someone wrote it for him. Just doesn't have his style attached.

It's such a sensitive topic right now, it wouldn't surprise me to find out that all of his responses on this topic are written by someone with more tact.

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dlxrevolution 04-20-2013 02:39 PM

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Originally Posted by Ape City (Post 1996698)
Probably one of Dana's most level headed responses. I kinda feel like someone wrote it for him. Just doesn't have his style attached.

Verbatim. :)


rul3z 04-21-2013 12:00 AM

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Originally Posted by Cowgirl (Post 1996642)
I suggest you look back on the other threads on this matter, this is not a thread to discuss that matter, as it has been discussed ad naseaum
already.

Please guide me if you don't mind!

Cookie Monster 04-21-2013 12:07 AM

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Originally Posted by rul3z (Post 2002530)
Please guide me if you don't mind!

I don't mind at all my friend! :)

http://www.mmaforum.com/general-mma-...er-review.html

http://www.mmaforum.com/ufc/122130-j...nsgenders.html

This one is a fighter's opinion on gay marriage being discussed, but still pretty pertinent. http://www.mmaforum.com/ufc/121874-r...ay-rights.html

http://www.mmaforum.com/womens-mma/1...opponents.html

http://www.mmaforum.com/ufc/123921-cain-velasquez-fallon-fox-shouldnt-able-fight-women.html

http://www.mmaforum.com/mma-forum-lo...its-still.html


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