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Old 08-04-2007, 12:16 PM   #51 (permalink)
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When your watching a boxing match and your yelling at the screen "give him a knee" and "hes wide open for a takedown". Then you know youve turned the corner.
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Old 08-04-2007, 12:35 PM   #52 (permalink)
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what you what boring ass boxing. sad
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Old 08-04-2007, 01:26 PM   #53 (permalink)
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Everyone seems to be missing the point here, so I'll repeat myself.

As for Oscar De La Hoya, he's saavy in the negotiating room and I respect his business smarts. He can laugh me all the way to the bank on that one and I'll be okay with that, but Oscar De La Hoya isn't a real fighter.

Let's face it, anyone who has a clause in their contract where they get to pick the color of their opponents shorts isn't in it for the fight.

Besides, if you put De La Hoya on the street against a guy like Hansen or Aurelio or Sherk (much less someone as massive and stong as Matt Hughes), he'd be absolutely destroyed.

I'll say this again (I just posted it on some rediculous thread about Chuck Liddell's striking), boxing is a sport, but it does not simulate a real fight. MMA doesn't do that perfectly either, because it has to adhere to certain rules nowadays, but it certainly does it a hell of a lot better than those pillows that boxers wear on their hands and a ref that breaks up the fight as soon as there's any sort of contact that isn't a fist hitting a face.

I have no problem with boxers, generally speaking. However, I have a serious problem with anyone who thinks that MMA is only about money and any boxer who criticizes the capacity of an MMA fighter without having stepped in the cage with four ounce gloves on.
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Old 08-18-2007, 01:37 PM   #54 (permalink)
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Vandalian...nice post. Well said. Muay Thai & Boxing are apples to oranges. Just Boxing...a Muay Thai fighter will most likely lose, and just Muay Thai...a boxer has never felt a knee to the midsection or face. Put a boxer in K-1 and he will get demolished. So really both would win in their own enviornment.
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Old 08-18-2007, 02:32 PM   #55 (permalink)
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in the words of rogan...
boxing is the art of punching.
mma is the art of fighting.

boxers hit harder then mma fighters on average...its what the concentrate on.

that being said...boxers would be a meal for almost any mma guy.

read 'heart of a fighter' - this guy does all sorts of combat sports ..mt/bjj/mma/boxing

mma vs. boxer in mma-mma wins
mma vs. boxer in boxer -boxer wins...but mma guy lasts a longer time
mma vs. boxer in street fight- we know
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Boxers with grappling would destroy anyone in a real fight. Look at Bj penn, Nick Diaz, Vitor Belfort, those guys are SAVAGES. They favor punching in their stand up because they CAN punch. Kicking is overrated, if you learn the basic defenses you will be fine and you wont get kicked but if you get in punching range with a real puncher or boxer, you are in TROUBLE. Even in clinching , once someone learns to position themselves correctly they won't get eaten with knees and elbows. All that muay thai stuff is overrated IMO. Boxing with grappling will make you a force to be reckoned with. Obviously you need the talent, because very few can punch successfully in mma or a real fight. Why does muay thai not have a huge following like boxing, the fighters dont get paid , punching will always be favored in a stand up fight, "it's the fastest way to hurt someone, punch them in the brain" Frank Shamrock
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Yeah, but remember that even Frank Shamrock got taken out by a kick from Cung Le. So saying that kicking is overrated just doesn't cut it. Kicking can have an effect, especially if they build up over time!
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Yeah, but remember that even Frank Shamrock got taken out by a kick from Cung Le. So saying that kicking is overrated just doesn't cut it. Kicking can have an effect, especially if they build up over time!
Yea but Cung Le doesn't stay rigid into the classical muay thai stuff, he kicks very fast and hard, not just hard, he has the speeed in his kicks from taekwondo, same thing with anderson silva, he does back kicks , crescent kicks, I truly believe that Cung Le and Anderson Silva have an advantage from learning taekwondo, it's a very good foundation for a kid getting into the martial arts, very good. Look at Lyoto machida, the only person who figured him out was Shogun, before that he was untouchable. Traditional martial artists have an advantage I believe because of the unorthodox striking, they are hard to figure out and they are also very spiritual. Andy Hug, from k-1, axe kick, that's a kick!
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Oh the potential of Andy Hug. May he rest in peace. I wonder what would've happened if he competed in MMA!
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