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BrutalKO 05-18-2007 12:50 PM

Boxers.....bring it on!
 
...Mayweather talkin' shit...Morrison questioning Liddell's heart?...They have got to be kidding me. Gee, the only chance a Boxer has in MMA, ummmmm, is to learn awesome takedown defense, they have to know some of the principles of Jiu Jitsu, and they have to learn how to Wrestle. Easy as pie right? Give me a break! Boxers can't make the transition...watch...mark my words. Morrison calling out Liddell is so out of his league. Liddell wouldn't fight Morrison anyway cause Chuck would spatter his blood everywhere...and we wouldn't want that contaminated blood all over the place! Morrison is a joke...he needs to just get the UFC PPV's like the rest of us and just watch...lol

Unseen 05-18-2007 01:52 PM

i wouldnt blame liddell if he doesnt take on Morrison, but someone needs to lay the smackdown on Mayweather. Sherk has already stepped up, all we have to wait for now is for Mayweather to sign that paper.

SEANV 05-18-2007 06:24 PM

Did u hear..KErmit Cintron wants to fight the winner of Sherk and Franca.....thats gona happen for sure. Dana offered mayweather a chance to fight for the title but shit talking mayweather turned it down.

theboz19 05-19-2007 12:07 AM

Hmmm, Mayweather made 10 Million + on his fight with Oscar. What did Dana offer?

I really don't understand the "boxer bashing" on this forum. Let's say Mayweather decides to slum it with the hillbillies and takes a fight with Sherk. He then trains for 3 months in takedown defense from the best team money can buy. He then turns Sherks face into a bloody stump. Did a boxer beat Sherk? or did a trained MMA fighter beat him?

Don't misunderstand me. I completely and totally agree that 99% of the time that a wrestler only fights a boxer only then the wrestler wins. The point I am trying to make is that if a top level boxer decides to do MMA, he is going to do some cross-training and thus no longer be a boxer just as a wrestler who trains in striking is no longer a wrestler.

ESPADA9 05-19-2007 12:45 AM

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Originally Posted by theboz19
Hmmm, Mayweather made 10 Million + on his fight with Oscar. What did Dana offer?

I really don't understand the "boxer bashing" on this forum. Let's say Mayweather decides to slum it with the hillbillies and takes a fight with Sherk. He then trains for 3 months in takedown defense from the best team money can buy. He then turns Sherks face into a bloody stump. Did a boxer beat Sherk? or did a trained MMA fighter beat him?

Don't misunderstand me. I completely and totally agree that 99% of the time that a wrestler only fights a boxer only then the wrestler wins. The point I am trying to make is that if a top level boxer decides to do MMA, he is going to do some cross-training and thus no longer be a boxer just as a wrestler who trains in striking is no longer a wrestler.

Income does NOT indicate intelligence, labeling MMA fighters as “hillbillies” and saying boxers who step into the octagon are “slumming it” is nothing more than lame stereotyping. If anything your average boxer when interviewed validates my opinion that a single digit IQ is enough to be a good boxer. There are plenty of MMA fighters who are educated and articulate, I can’t think of any boxers who fit those criteria.

Mayweather is nothing more than an overcompensated entertainer who would be raped if he was stupid enough to get in the ring (with even a mediocre fighter).

It’s a shame that boxing is so corrupt and bloated with corruption, it was once a great sport and art. I don’t watch anymore due to the lack of talent and class. Besides after getting into MMA I see boxing as dull at best (and I trained as a boxer in my late teens and early 20s).

theboz19 05-19-2007 02:22 PM

You are right. I was taking cheap shots at the Iowa farm boy wrestlers. It is nice that they finally have somewhere to go after their free ride to Oklahoma State is over. While Matt Hughes is busy cashing his $300k paycheck Oscar De La Hoya will be deciding whether or not he wants to purchase the UFC.

I love MMA but I also love and respect boxing. It will be nice to see more boxers, like Butterbean, make the transition and start knocking guys out. Speaking of the Bean. He is old and never really was a great boxer but yet he has a winning record in MMA.

KillerG 05-19-2007 03:47 PM

The Mayweather fight was boring, all he does is 1-2 punch and run away. THATS NOT a great fighter, he's like Tim Sylvia, he fights to win not to entertain, thats why everyone cheered for Del La Hoya.

And he wouldnt last in the UFC, he goes on like he would knock out any man. The fact is he would get his 1-2 jab out, get taken down and have his fast little arms broken.

He wont step into the octogon not because of the lower pay packet (im sure Dana offered arounf 10 or even 10 mill) but because he knows he would get destroyed. He does all this for publicity, but good for him, all it does is let boxing fans know what MMA and UFC is :D

CLG 05-19-2007 04:01 PM

If someone wants to talk they should be prepaired to back that up. On the other hand if I was a highly ranked pro boxer I would not risk injury in mma when the money is sooo much better in boxing just my .002

I dont think there is anyone in MMA today that could compete with the pros in their own sport not even close I could be wrong, but I dont think that I am.

kamikaze145 05-19-2007 04:27 PM

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Originally Posted by theboz19
You are right. I was taking cheap shots at the Iowa farm boy wrestlers. It is nice that they finally have somewhere to go after their free ride to Oklahoma State is over. While Matt Hughes is busy cashing his $300k paycheck Oscar De La Hoya will be deciding whether or not he wants to purchase the UFC.

I love MMA but I also love and respect boxing. It will be nice to see more boxers, like Butterbean, make the transition and start knocking guys out. Speaking of the Bean. He is old and never really was a great boxer but yet he has a winning record in MMA.

First off, anyone can have a winning record in mma if they only fight people who are a great matchup for them, and he manages to blow a lot of those fights anyway. Using Butterball, I mean Butterbean to show why boxers will make good fighters is really dumb. Also, this is not "wrestlers vs boxers". These are mixed martial artists who are not bad on their feet either. Now, I do agree and think boxers CAN make good fighters. They obviously are coming in with one solid skill but I think that wrestling is the best base to have. and boxing, although very useful in MMA is not all you need to know about striking. If a boxer is a good athlete, can pick up on the rest of the game and is dedicated then yes they can become good.
On the topic of money, yes boxers make more, much more. I for one, believe this will change in the next few years. Especially, because I think a lot of boxers want to fight. When it comes down to it, boxers are fighters and when they see what MMA is all about it is only natural that they will want to test themselves in a more complete sport. I think one thing that is stopping a lot of them right now is the money, but if the money switches over to mma i think we will see a lot of boxers become mixed martial artists.

Deadpool 05-19-2007 04:38 PM

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Originally Posted by CLG

I dont think there is anyone in MMA today that could compete with the pros in their own sport not even close I could be wrong, but I dont think that I am.

Totally true. This goes for all sports without exception. It's like Michael Jordan saying "well i'm an amazing basketball player so i'll be an amazing baseball player". It just doesn't work that way. It's idiotic for any boxer to challenge an MMA practitioner to step into a boxing ring just as it's idiotic for any boxer to step into an MMA ring. They are speaking of two completely different sports and each has merits as well as cons. Sure they are combat sports but we're comparing apples and oranges here it doesn't matter if they are both fruits they just will never be the same.

On another note, pay does not indicate worth as clearly evident with the salaries the teachers of the world receive in comparison to our entertainers. That's a terrible argument.


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