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Big fan, I still watch it regularly along with MMA. 8 14.29%
Not as big of a fan now, but check up every now and then. 19 33.93%
Since MMA, I've lost interest in Pro Wrestling. 13 23.21%
I was never interested in Pro Wrestling, but I do love MMA. 16 28.57%
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Old 05-18-2007, 07:48 PM   #21 (permalink)
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I am a big Puroresu/Wrasslin' fan. If I had the opportunity to watch it on a regular basis, I probably would. It's all entertainment to me.

Does that mean that MMA "reformed" me in any way? Nawww... Not at all. Unlike a large portion of MMA-ites, I didn't draw that line in the sand. Doing so is childish as it leads to an unneeded amount of incessant bickering back and forth. It's the same deal with boxing, TMA's, amateur wrestling, grappling tourneys, kickboxing, etc. My tastes are pretty ecclectic. I find that keeping things open and in perspective keeps me sane.

What a lot of MMA-ites fail to grasp is that MMA as it stands owes a lot to pro wrestling. I fully believe that if wrasslin' didn't exist, that MMA wouldn't have been given the time to see the light of day. Why? Well in the terms of pro wrestling one is given only a small hypothetical glimpse into the question, "What if a practitioner of this Martial Art were to meet a practitioner of another Martial Art?"

Now, we all know that in reality such questions are answered in very abrupt (and violent) fashion. In terms of trying to hold a sporting event, that doesn't bode well. No one will pay the admission for a sporting event to see something wrap up in 90 seconds. So, the "promoters" or "booker" in charge of the matches simply began to add layers and layers over the core details of action to entertain the crowds. That is how pro wrestling started to evolve into its current iteration. However, its basis was initially embodied in age old catch-as-catch-can (catch wrestling).

The same type of scenario too can be parallelled in MMA. In the initial NHB fights, there were simply those who practiced a purist style. Those types of affairs ended abruptly and violently. After the competitors found that their chances to be viable required them to widen their skill sets, they did so. Thusly they became true MMA practitioners, and not just "tough guys."

Honestly, I don't think anyone would pay regular PPV fees now for what the UFC used to be. It wouldn't be entertaining enough, and it would look amateurish in comparison. As it has been demonstrated, with greater amounts of skill comes better (and possibly longer, more entertaining) fights. In the terms of marketing and promotions, that offers a more worthwhile purchase for the viewer's dollar. Considering that above, is it no suprise that MMA and Pro Wrestling are vying for the same audience?
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Old 05-18-2007, 07:54 PM   #22 (permalink)
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Old 05-18-2007, 07:58 PM   #23 (permalink)
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So is 99% of anything offered in the movies and TV. That proves no point at all.

Edit: I would also add on to that all of Video Games, the majority of Literature, and Drama.
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Basically I got really out of it after the roster split and of this other reason here; when Randy Orton spit in Mick Foleys face. Even if that was purely cause of a story line, they should not have ****en done that that was by far the most disrespectful thing I have ever seen from WWE and I probably took that more personally than Foley did.
If memory serves me correctly, it was Foley's idea. Most of that storyline was actually created by Foley and presented to the WWE "creative team".
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If memory serves me correctly, it was Foley's idea. Most of that storyline was actually created by Foley and presented to the WWE "creative team".

No kiddin,

Now that you mention it, I think someone has told me that before, if it is true, then I refuse to believe it, never, even if Mick screamed it at my face. That was just wrong for anyones idea. Have some little ****en punk like Randy Orton spit in a legends face like that, The writers and Vince and even Randy should have all objected to it if it was Micks idea. **** Randy Orton and John Cena, they've ruined wrestling for me. ****en ***gets.

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Old 05-18-2007, 10:44 PM   #26 (permalink)
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I mean, I'm not against pro wrasslin' or its fans, but I just don't get into it anymore. I understand it's importance as it pertains to MMA (UWF and Maeda's Rings for example) in Japan, but man, I just don't dig any of it anymore. You can try to analyze it, but what it all boils down to is oiled up, half-naked men fake fighting with each other.
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Foley puts over everybody. Half the major stars wouldn't be where they are/were without him (Rock, HHH, Orton etc.) The UFC is similar to pro wrestling, not so much as Pride is, but they book matches in the same fashion and broadcast alot like that as well. There's a reason the wwe wanted Goldie to call their shows.
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I mean, I'm not against pro wrasslin' or its fans, but I just don't get into it anymore. I understand it's importance as it pertains to MMA (UWF and Maeda's Rings for example) in Japan, but man, I just don't dig any of it anymore. You can try to analyze it, but what it all boils down to is oiled up, half-naked men fake fighting with each other.
I hate how Japan crosses over pro wrestling and mma. I know Inoki, Maeda and Takada (I hate to mention that one) helped get it off the ground but bullshit fights like Cro Cop/Don Carcas Jr. and Fedor/Nagata are useless. I hate how Barnett "represents" NJPW too. But if pro wrestlers got the skills all the power to them. Fujita and Sakuraba are good examples. Bob Sapp has been in everything , best example that came to my mind.
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I've always been a big fan of wrestling and still watch it on a regular basis. If I had to chose wrestling or MMA, it would be MMA.
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Yeah, Sakuraba was probaby the best fighter who made the transition from pro-wrestling to MMA. Wait, he IS the best guy to do that. Fujita is another good choice. That loveable little HW with a head full of cement is fun to watch.

I agree about the whole "Pro-wrestling injects its feces into MMA" thing. I mean, does anyone give a damn about watching stupid mismatches like Minoru Suzuki vs Jushin Lyger & Cro Cop vs Yuji Nagata? I mean, Takayama was awesome as the "pro-wres dude who gets his ass kicked" but he's like the only good example.
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