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Old 10-27-2013, 01:31 PM   #1 (permalink)
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I've been redoing Muay Thai after initially focusing on Karate for a bit. I'm at a new camp.


Here is my routine every lesson:


light 10 min warm up followed by shadow boxing.

Focus mitts pads where we drill about 4/5 different combinations until swapping so the partner can do the same. In between combinations we are given advice about how to apply the punch/kick and angle our combinations.

Then we do a thing where we get on the heavy bag and punch as fast as we can almost like a sprint for 10-20 seconds..



It feels more cardio based than technique based, but maybe i'm learning good technique at the same time??? It feels more like a work out than me learning devasting technique...it's not an easy class (holding the pads can be killer!) but I do wish this guy would include some clinch work and more stuff.

Does my muay thai class sound mediocre? If so, should I just change camps ? Everyone is nice and it seems like a good place to train in general, I just don't like the idea of using stand up fighting as some sort of cardio fitness....

I guess I feel like I should know if i'm getting better by doing this routine. On paper it sounds rather tame, and..well, I guess i wanted to know how it looks to others on here, would be much appreciated x
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Old 10-27-2013, 04:22 PM   #2 (permalink)
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What you're in is the entry level class which subsequently I liked joining because it was easier...haha. Advanced class focuses on combos, major ab work outs + conditioning where you'd pass out, and of course sparring then fighting.

There's no rush for you. People often want to join, but if you don't have the technique down then what's the point. Try it out for a month if you feel you're ready to move up you can do so at anytime.
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Old 10-27-2013, 08:02 PM   #3 (permalink)
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We're doing combo's just on mit pads. I guess it seems entry level I just rather it wasn't. I want to learn devasting technique. I already know how to kick with the right technique and throw punches and elbows. My only issue is sometimes it's akward holding the pads, so still getting used to that, but surely the schedule I posted seems pointless and more like a cardio exercise????
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That's what muay thai is. What more do you want? 4/5 combos a class is a lot, highly doubtful anyone is getting enough reps unless classes are two hours. In an advanced class you will do far fewer combos and way more reps and most likely way more "cardio" that cardio is actually body conditioning.

I guess I'm not sure what you're problem with the class is. What are you meaning by devastating tecnique? You want to learn elbows or flying knees spinning attacks?

And my final comment, if holding the mitts is awkward for you, you are simply not ready for an advanced class. All you will do is frustrate someone if you can't hold. If you can't hold for the drills in your sleep you need to stay in that class until you can. That will make you a better training partner and make your timing and spacing better.

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Conditioning is always going to be a huge part of training. The mitt work as well. While you may not be learning new techniques everytime, you still need to be drilling the same combinations over and over and over again to build the muscle memory. So just because you know the technique doesn't mean it is going to be sharp when applying it.

As for it being weird holding pads, that is something you just learn by doing. You just have to get used to it and it can sometimes be confusing when holding for a southpaw if you normally hold for orthodox fighters. But I would really try and get comfortable because if you are taking turns holding for a more advanced person, it can kill their training session if they have to constantly stop and go so you can readjust.
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Conditioning is always going to be a huge part of training. The mitt work as well. While you may not be learning new techniques everytime, you still need to be drilling the same combinations over and over and over again to build the muscle memory. So just because you know the technique doesn't mean it is going to be sharp when applying it.

As for it being weird holding pads, that is something you just learn by doing. You just have to get used to it and it can sometimes be confusing when holding for a southpaw if you normally hold for orthodox fighters. But I would really try and get comfortable because if you are taking turns holding for a more advanced person, it can kill their training session if they have to constantly stop and go so you can readjust.
Drives me insane when someone holds for me and they aren't prepared to do it. If I'm teaching no problem, I'm more than patient but if its my training time and I'm waiting for the pad all the time you shouldn't be in class.

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True dat with the Thai pads. U gotta angle it right with kicks and I don't even do it 100%, punches I'm good...it's ingrained in my head the intermediary ones (basic combinations) at least. So you need to learn the numbers that's what you call out and ur training partner hits then usually finish with a kick. Those workouts alone gives you a sweat. Then you do major kick repetitions over and over.

The burn out reps toward the end is a standard. One of my all time workouts was exactly that for three sprints one minute long each, then another person came in and rotate. I've never been so winded in my life. Only three minutes, but you're going full speed landing any combos that come to mind.

Holding the pads for prolonged periods of time is no joke. It's quite the shoulder workout. I've always wondered how the pro trainers do it. They do it so effortless. Thrust the pads when your training partner is throwing a punch to give it that extra snap. It's the worst when they're just standing there or even moving backwards...like what the hell.

My conclusion try out the advanced class and see for yourself. I did it and it was fun! BUT...I also can see where I was technique wise. Not great. El Bresko's form is authentic Muay Thai shiet. However when it came to sparring I always held my own, more instincts I guess just knowing how to move, block, parry, counter and stuff. You can not be afraid to get hit. I'm pretty offensive as I don't like to be on defense unless I'm trying to tire out my opponent. I feel alive when I'm in there though. It's intense. I can only imagine fighting inside the Octagon...I would surely blow my load in the first minute.

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Drives me insane when someone holds for me and they aren't prepared to do it. If I'm teaching no problem, I'm more than patient but if its my training time and I'm waiting for the pad all the time you shouldn't be in class.

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Agreed. I have had someone that knows what they are doing have a total brain fart but it is seemless. Sure the pad wasn't there but they just kept on going like nothing happened and it never happened again. What sucks is when they mess up, and then they stop and think for a second, and then they figure it out only to mess it up again like 15 seconds later.
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When you say focus mitts do you mean focus mitts?



Do you use thai pads? If not then I would ask your coach why you are not using thai pads.



I know you say you already know how to kick but if you come from a karate background then you don't know how to kick properly. Just ask for some 1on1 time with your coach and get him to teach you basics like your stance and proper punching and kicking technique. Once your coach is confident that your technique is okay then all you need is repetition. Once you're good at the basics you can learn the more difficult techniques.

Honestly though, it doesn't really sound like you're in a real muay thai gym so I think if my assumptions are correct then you will not become a good clinch fighter or learn to throw elbows effectively, simple things like the step through knee followed by an elbow are some of the most dangerous techniques when striking but are often overlooked by western kickboxing coaches.

You should take some photos of your gym and I will give my honest opinion of whether you should stay there in the long run or not. For now though, you're perfectly fine where you are.
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I had meant to say thai pads, El Bresko. Sorry, not focus mitts. Sorry for the confusing.

If by a 'real muay thai gym' you mean a gym specifically geared towards muay thai then no, I am not in a muay thai gym, i'm in a MMA gym with a emphasis on BJJ. It's 60% BJJ and the rest striking arts. The muay thai instructor has had extensive experience in muay thai having trained and competed in thailand, so it's not like he is a poser or something. This is a REAL camp, not some boxercise class.

By devasting technique Life B I guess I mean I want to learn more about clinch fighting, but a teammate told me that I would have to go to the 'intermediate or advanced' classes for that. I don't seen why a beginner can't be taught the clinch??

That said, I think you guys are right. I think the point in muay thai/boxing is to drill drill so everything becomes natural and second nature and I will stick witht that for the time being.
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