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post #21 of 23 (permalink) Old 06-01-2007, 05:13 PM
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Jasvll, your acting like the writer of the article has the right to an opinion but the blogger doesnt.
No, they both have a right to their opinion. They don't have a right to raise their opinions to universal truths, which the blogger has done in his quest to quell any voice of dissent.

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They both have the right to an opinion but its just a matter of which one you agree with.
Yes, I said that earlier.

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If your a fan of mma I dont see why you wouldnt take the bloggers side if your gonna take a side.
Unless you believe the ends justify the means, I don't see how anyone can take the blogger's side. He's guilty of many of the things the article's author has been accused but is innocent of.

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Greenscape,

I agree that Dahlberg doesn't understand the sport. I also doubt that he wants to. He did, however, want to check out what all the UFC noise was about and put his 2 cents in, which is what he's paid to do.

I have no problem with the idea of someone criticizing Dahlberg's article respectfully. The blogger simply didn't do that. He was arrogant about his vast MMA knowledge (if only Dahlberg knew as much he'd love the sport, too) and derogatory about both UFC fans and Dahlberg. I don't see how anyone can condone that, regardless of the intent of the blog.

Dahlberg is ignorant (he admits as much) about UFC and especially MMA, but do you honestly think that he would be more likely to give either a second look after reading the blog? Personally, I think Dahlberg's next article would be a bit harsher if he read it.

I know I'm being a hardass about this, but I cringe everytime I read one of these things. The responses to the CBS Sportsline 'journalist' from a month or so ago actually made him look right, which I would have thought to be impossible. It makes MMA fans look immature, insecure, and hyper-sensitive. MMA is here to stay. We should probably spend more time enjoying it and less time worrying about those who don't.

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Greenscape,

I agree that Dahlberg doesn't understand the sport. I also doubt that he wants to. He did, however, want to check out what all the UFC noise was about and put his 2 cents in, which is what he's paid to do.

I have no problem with the idea of someone criticizing Dahlberg's article respectfully. The blogger simply didn't do that. He was arrogant about his vast MMA knowledge (if only Dahlberg knew as much he'd love the sport, too) and derogatory about both UFC fans and Dahlberg. I don't see how anyone can condone that, regardless of the intent of the blog.

Dahlberg is ignorant (he admits as much) about UFC and especially MMA, but do you honestly think that he would be more likely to give either a second look after reading the blog? Personally, I think Dahlberg's next article would be a bit harsher if he read it.

I know I'm being a hardass about this, but I cringe everytime I read one of these things. The responses to the CBS Sportsline 'journalist' from a month or so ago actually made him look right, which I would have thought to be impossible. It makes MMA fans look immature, insecure, and hyper-sensitive. MMA is here to stay. We should probably spend more time enjoying it and less time worrying about those who don't.
The CBS sportsline was my fuel behind this for that very same reason. When I saw that first response to Mike Freeman's article from his exposed butt buddy saying, "I'm gonna kick your ass!" I thought it was the most ridiculous and Freeman-proving comeback there could've been. What was sad was the comment set the atmosphere for the rest of the responses. What was funny was the first response was from a fellow journalist and not an intelligent MMA enthusiast like I would've preferred and was expecting. So we all raved about it on the forum and started hitting up our own responses with all good intentions of sharing our pride and respect for the sport.

I'm guilty though, 75% of me wanted to inform Freeman of MMA in a neat little block, but that other 25% with doubts and questions made me wonder if it would really be worth it, or would he even attempt to let himself understand Mixed Martial Arts. That's where the ranting and hatred came in. It's a powerful emotion and it is laced in the blogger's general idea of attempting to let Dahlberg know about MMA rather than proving him wrong, but you can see how it teetor-totters. At times it was factual and calm, and at other times it was obsessive and abrasive.

I read the article over and I understand Dahlberg's only handicap is ignorance to the sport. Which isn't a bad thing because you can always learn if you're new but that part of me didn't want to believe he was there to learn, or there to understand. That's why the bloggers Point of View satisfied me so well, because for the first time in a while I saw a response that didn't consist of three sentences. It had structure, a purpose, a vast understanding of Mixed Martial Arts, and last but not least, that stinger.

The stinger being the way he presented it, the way it had become an indirect attack against all MMA nay-sayers, wrongfully so, he could've still gotten his point across by informing Dahlberg in a proper way to represent the sport. But he didn't and for me, the arrogant atmoshpere of the blog satisfied the beast which holds revenge, anger, and frustration while the MMA knowledge satisfied my mind.

It's a hard thing, you can either get him back and bottle up your emotions? Or get him back and prove the nay-sayers wrong.

But just knowing someone out there can put something like that together, though he might've taken the wrong path, made me hopeful. But in all gayness aside here, I get what you mean.

You proceeded with logic over emotion, I was about two-thirds. Logic meaning Dahlberg didn't understand Mixed Martial Arts and can only get his view across in a certain manner. Emotional logic meaning "Why the hell is even attempting to write an article if he doesn't understand Mixed Martial Arts?"

Which is why a lot of us here will agree with the blogger over the journalists, undeserving or not, that agression is a powerful thing. Like right now I'm thinking, if he wasn't willing to put in a 100% effort attempt of understanding the sport before making it an article, then why would I put 100% into a blog?

Maybe people that would agree with you would consider the article as a step forward, someone out there made an attempt to see what the fuss was about. He does state some decent facts about the UFC and watched a fight, didn't go how it planned of course, but he probably didn't mean much harm by his opinion. This is all coinciding with thinking you can't defeat intolerable by being intolerable.

I'm still on the blogger's side of course, because he satisfied my type of personality, but you know why.
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