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Old 08-15-2007, 01:54 AM   #1 (permalink)
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Kung Fu whiners

I notice a lot that a lot of Kung Fu practioners or fans like to whine and complain and make a mountain of excuses when a Kung Fu, Wing Chun or Shaolin fighter loses to any other style.

I myself believe that these styles, though beautiful, and rich in history and culture, are out dated and useless in today's martial arts world. And a lot of these people are too busy on Jet Li's nuts to realize that Brazilian Jujitsu, Japanese Jujitsu, Judo, Wrestling, Muay Thai, American Kickboxing, Boxing, Krav Maga, Sambo even Eskrima are much more effective. Especialy when combined in MMA.

Now dont get me wrong, I love Jet Li movies, old Jackie Chan movies like Drunken Master. But as great as these things look they dont help you against a real fighter.

Now I would LOVE it if a Kung Fu master walked into an MMA fight and kicked ass but unfortunately I have yet to see it.

If you train in these styles I have no problem with that. I wouldnt mind studying Drunken Boxing for the simple fact that it looks cool as hell. But Kung Fu people should know that the style they study isnt the best in actual fighting. My friend studied capoeira for 5 years and would never use it in a real fight.
So what I mean is enjoy it for what it is but dont talk crap that you cant back up and end up like this Kiai "Master"

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Old 08-15-2007, 02:01 AM   #2 (permalink)
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i agree the entire asian continent needs to let go of their kung fu crap... it doesn't work.. although we would loose alot of culture if they did stop... and kung fu pretty much made made movies what they are today...

but yeah... its useless ass hell
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Old 08-15-2007, 02:07 AM   #3 (permalink)
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They only problem I see with Kung Fu in the MMA, is that not every fighter is an Andy Wang.

What I mean by that is that when someone gets knocked to the ground with some serious striking (kung-fu), they aren't going to get back up and continue striking, they are going to go for a take down. It could just be my thought of Kung Fu is all striking, ut on the ground I don't really see what they can do.
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Old 08-15-2007, 02:09 AM   #4 (permalink)
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i agree the entire asian continent needs to let go of their kung fu crap... it doesn't work.. although we would loose alot of culture if they did stop... and kung fu pretty much made made movies what they are today...

but yeah... its useless ass hell

i dont think they should loose their martial arts. but they should just practice it for what it is. tradition, art, culture and heritage.
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Old 08-15-2007, 02:21 AM   #5 (permalink)
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Kung Fu doesn't transition well into MMA, because most of the moves that make almost every form of Kung Fu special...are illegal.
It all depends on your training. Most kung fu practioners that I've ever seen fight seemed unable to take a hit (like that Kiai master)...took a jab, fell and looked like he was crying. If kung fu practitioners sparred more hardcore, they have the potential to kick ass.

And it also comes down to common sense. Practitioners should know what to use when, and what moves are just for exhibitions and what moves are applicable in fights. (For example, no one should attempt to flip over someone's head in a fight).

My point: Kung Fu can be useful in the real world, if you train properly. However, it's useless in MMA, seeing as how a lot of key moves are illegal in the sport.
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Old 08-15-2007, 04:34 AM   #6 (permalink)
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I agree with the OP as well. Kung Fu comprises a myriad of beautiful arts but they are not that effective for MMA. I am fighting a Wing Chun guy soon in non-sanctioned fight but I feel bad, he has no idea what MMA is really about... He didn't know what the guard was when I spoke with him.
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Ground Game(bjj) would be useless if you could poke in the eyes or fight against 2 opponents. Its all about the rules. Not effective in mma does not mean it is uneffective in general. Also, there is a lack of fighters and organisations.. For example, there is no karate full contact organisations except kyokoushinkai(which is has a different style compared to other karate stiles.) So, it is not possible for the most of the karate practitioners to fight full contact. The next problem are how to set the rules. Karate works only without gloves. But this is dangerous.

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Someone's probly already said it, but these kung fu masters would lose quick in mma for the simple reason that they are masters...in the single art form of kung fu. If you don't cross train, you will get slain. on top of that, many of those kung fu moves are romanticized, inefficent, and not practical. [although i wouldn't mind seeing someone try to pull a patented jean-claude bloodsport split kick!]

...on a similar note, since discovering mma, i can't watch old martial arts flicks anymore. it looks so ridiculous now. not even bruce lee or jackie. it's amusing, but i can't even let myself get immersed.
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i agree the entire asian continent needs to let go of their kung fu crap... it doesn't work.. although we would loose alot of culture if they did stop... and kung fu pretty much made made movies what they are today...

but yeah... its useless ass hell
you do know judo,jujitsu, and karate were founded in japan right? Muay thai was founded in Thailand right? and that both are in the asian continent. when refering to kung fu its mostly refering to the chinese
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damn stop puttting BJJ so high. It's all about the rules. If there wasnt any, pull guard on me and i will knee your balls.

And as for what you see on youtube, that's not kung-fu, thats a phony who waste his life thinking he was doing something he wasnt.

This is not an excuse, but simple facts.

MMA was made for BJJ, at least the UFC was made for it.

The reason why it was so succesful was that at least 90% of martial artists, no matter what they were training, did not know what the hell was jiu-jitsu. And even after learning it's basics, they would try to fight their game by pounding on the ground, while you never see a BJJ fighting standing up.

As for Kung-fu, its pretty simple, it has never adapted itself for the today's people, and for today's fighting. It's practionners also.

Look at GSP for instance. He was a KyoKushin(sorry for the spelling) fighter(black belt?), yet he doesnt have any karate fighting pose, or it's punching or anything. At some point, striking is striking, no matter what style you practice.

Muay Thai has changed as well for MMA, and yet people call it Muay Thai still because it is sucessful. I wonder if Kung-fu ever will, but i dont beleive there has been that many fighters from kung-fu background in MMA.. a remember 1 at UFC 1, and a few others..but very few others, esp any that have mixed it with something else.
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