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Old 06-04-2006, 02:16 AM   #21 (permalink)
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I don't know Dave Avid, you have an idea of his credentials?
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Old 06-04-2006, 02:18 AM   #22 (permalink)
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And he does not Compete,From what he said is "No need to compete,Why compete? and lose" Basicly people will think less of you,and Hes a black belt
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Old 06-04-2006, 02:29 AM   #23 (permalink)
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Yeah, his backround's like I'd figured it would be: lots of competition in Jiu-jitsu, none in MMA or anything else.

The idea is to learn the fundamentals and the tricks that make individual technique important. A guy like Adiv might not teach you how BJJ fits into MMA, but most people can figure it out for themselves.

I do agree, though, that you should find somewhere that focuses on MMA grappling. Look for somewhere were the teacher also has a judo backround or a kempo backround (not all grappling, but equally as important). That way he/she can show you how it all fits together.
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Old 06-04-2006, 02:41 AM   #24 (permalink)
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When i hit 18

I was thinking of going to a straight up Boxing Gym for a couple years and then finding a Grappling gym that fits more into MMA.I did boxing last year for a few months.

But what do you think??
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Old 06-04-2006, 04:36 PM   #25 (permalink)
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curious, why a Judo background. I mean Judo was my first art. so I have nothing against it but I am just wondering your reasoning
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I just don't think that BJJ is really that efficent if your takedowns aren't effect, and the basic BJJ takedowns aren't as hard as the majority of Judo takedowns. That second or two while your opponent is transitioning from standing to groundgame is really great when looking for submissions and you need to be the one taking down to work.

After I watched Royce v Kimo a couple of times I realized why the fight took so long. Royce couldn't get rid of Kimo's balance and if he had a basic knowledge of Judo he would have grounded him alot quicker.

If you're going to be a grappler then you gotta also make sure that you can get to the ground. Jiu-jitsu works sometimes, but you can't always stand for that long looking for the right takedown.
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ok yea I can totally agree with that with judo being my base art I found it very helpful when I took other styles, espically when taking throws or being thrown I knew how to react and was not shocked by hitting the ground when thrown where most people take a second or two to react where unless the throw was exceptionaly hard or I just landed wrong which is rare to my judo training I react faster then most expect me to
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what about wrestling take downs?
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Wrestling takedowns require no real form (this is from years of experience in Roman-Greco and freestyle). All they do is throw your strength against your opponents limbs. If your opponent is allowed to use strikes, which they aren't in wrestling competitions, you will get your face broken.

Example: Terry Martin v Sandman If you rush in like an idiot thinking that you can just trample another MMA fighter you will probably get destroyed. Judo throws require clinching first, which protects you from punches, and then removes your opponent from their base, which means you don't have to use nearly as much muscle.
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