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Old 09-19-2006, 12:00 PM   #11 (permalink)
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I think less and less MMA fighters are training in Judo and that is hurting their ground game. If you can't get them to the ground, then you have no game. Judo praciticioners can do some amazing things really quick and when a fighter has no idea how they got to the ground (which is often the case in a Judo throw or take down because its so fast) then he is in a world of trouble and better scramble a defense quick. I even hear Joe Rogan get really excited when he witnesses some Judo throws in action.
Judo is useless. So's karate and all of them real martial arts. When's the last time you actually seen a blocked puch?? or a chop??? Boxing, Wrestling and Muay Tai, and submission fighting is where it's at
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Old 09-19-2006, 01:49 PM   #12 (permalink)
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judo is not useless have you not seen karo fight ?
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Old 09-19-2006, 01:54 PM   #13 (permalink)
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Judo is useless? Karo has done well in his career. Yoshido has done very well. A loss to crocop sure, but wand has one 2 and just as quick. I'd say a olypic class judo has just as good takedown and takedown defense as wrestling. Plus well versed in submission. Triangle choke in judo Sankaku jime. Key lock in judo ude garame. Rear naked choke in judo Hadaka jime. The list goes on so i wouldn't say usless.
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Old 09-19-2006, 02:22 PM   #14 (permalink)
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i'd rather be well versed in Judo takedowns than wrestling ones. wrestling ones require to you jump into harms way while judo throws allow for a finese sort of throw.

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Old 09-19-2006, 02:40 PM   #15 (permalink)
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i'd rather be well versed in Judo takedowns than wrestling ones. wrestling ones require to you jump into harms way while judo throws allow for a finese sort of throw.

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Old 09-19-2006, 03:33 PM   #16 (permalink)
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Grappling, and the ground game in general, are being passed by by the UFC. the UFC is all about strikes nowadays, standing mostly, but also on the ground. every time a fight goes to the ground, the fighters just vie for a position to toss elbows at each other from. i think this is proof that Dana has sold the soul of MMA to either suck in boxing fans, or get other people interested withouth having more ignorant americans get confused by submission fights!!!

look at PRIDE, there's always a good match of strikes and sub wins, but in the UFC... subs are going the way of the dodo!
Totally agree, word for word.
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Old 09-22-2006, 09:50 PM   #17 (permalink)
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DAMN... I was looking for this thread! I for one used to always believe grappling was better! If you knew your technigue and holds... no matter how big or strong the "brawler... kicker... puncher" was... you could have him (OR HER?... OR IT?) in a hold and they cannot get ouf it! They could pass out... tap... or be in great pain! I've been watching UFC for a while now... and I hate to say it... but I don't think Grapplers can get it done anymore! I hate to say it... but those guys who knock you out tend to be the ones who get it done... and I've been a follower and a fan of grappling for years... 'it's so sad!'
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