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putmeonhold 09-19-2006 12:03 AM

Grappler's can't get it done
With the recent victory of Chuck Liddell over Ronato Sobral, I have to state once again the grappler's just don't have what it takes anymore. Striking's on top right now, but it will switch again in the future

putmeonhold 09-19-2006 12:07 AM

Grappler's just can't get it done
oops, I keep posting on the wrong board. Sorry for repeating, but I just gotta say again that Grappler's just can't get it done anymore. Strikers are on top baby.

1. Rich Franklin
2. Tim Sylvia
3. Chuck Liddell

1. Matt Hughes

Choke_Wire 09-19-2006 12:28 AM

its just that chucks take down defence is just to damn good.

jdun11 09-19-2006 12:33 AM

the welterweights and lw are all grapplers..i still say its even.tito, babalu and monson are all grapplers..but it doesnt matter cuz if ur not well rounded ur gonna lose..plain and simple

moldy 09-19-2006 12:37 AM

Fedor, gsp, hughes, a.a (he will beat tim again), fedor, big nog, arona, rua. What about all these guys. It's even i'd say. Every striker you name i can name a grappler.

jdun11 09-19-2006 12:46 AM


Originally Posted by moldy
Fedor, gsp, hughes, a.a (he will beat tim again), fedor, big nog, arona, rua. What about all these guys. It's even i'd say. Every striker you name i can name a grappler.

i dunno if id claasify shogun as a grappler..he has sick ground skills but i look at him as a striker first grappler second

moldy 09-19-2006 12:51 AM

Yeah he is. but he was a bj guy who worked standing. people forget wand has amazing bj 2. And a lot of those fight's were strikes firom a mount not many one punch chuck style.

yellow man 09-19-2006 01:04 AM

yes grappeling is being less and less effective. but to have the best understanding of takedowns you got to have practice doing the takedowns as well as blocking them. But both are needed to be able to have the best defense.

chuck liddell has a wrestleing background so he knows how to do good takedowns which helps him defend because he knows what the other guys thinking.

im sure silva and franklin also have jiu jitsu and wrestling backgrounds.

it was bound to happen after the world was shocked by jiu jitus and started learning about it and analyzing its weakness *lots of people probaly hated how average royce dominated*

just because they dont got a belt from a gracie *or anyone* doesnt mean they dont practice it.

being well rounded is the key to being a champion. there is always a chance that it will go to the ground and when it does thoes grappeling skills will come in handy even if your just going to ground and pound.

3DLee 09-19-2006 01:49 AM

I think less and less MMA fighters are training in Judo and that is hurting their ground game. If you can't get them to the ground, then you have no game. Judo praciticioners can do some amazing things really quick and when a fighter has no idea how they got to the ground (which is often the case in a Judo throw or take down because its so fast) then he is in a world of trouble and better scramble a defense quick. I even hear Joe Rogan get really excited when he witnesses some Judo throws in action.

pt447 09-19-2006 09:46 AM

Grappling, and the ground game in general, are being passed by by the UFC. the UFC is all about strikes nowadays, standing mostly, but also on the ground. every time a fight goes to the ground, the fighters just vie for a position to toss elbows at each other from. i think this is proof that Dana has sold the soul of MMA to either suck in boxing fans, or get other people interested withouth having more ignorant americans get confused by submission fights!!!

look at PRIDE, there's always a good match of strikes and sub wins, but in the UFC... subs are going the way of the dodo!

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