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Old 11-21-2007, 07:53 PM   #21 (permalink)
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Ok, so Fedor might be a great fighter but, he doesn't deserve the #1 spot. He keeps fighting "so-so" fighters. His next fight is against some dude that is 7'2" again.. No-name guy.. Yeah he beat cro-cop but, that doesn't mean anything anymore. Infact, he only scooped a decision there. Any of the major ass-whipins he has put down has been against guys like Goodridge. Mark Hunt almost whipped his ass, Kevin Randleman almost broke his neck. If he fought Randy Couture, he would be man handled. If he fought Gonzaga, he would be KO'd. If he fought AA, he would get KO'd.

So, this is just my opionin but, if he keeps fighting "no-name" guys, he shouldn't get the #1 spot!

I know some of you are gonna say, "no-name? whatever" but, in terms of the BEST HW in the world, he hasn't fought any of them in a long long time!

He looked like shit against Matt Linland & Linland is usually a 185er!
He totally destroyed matt lindland, who weighed in at 218 a 12lb difference from fedor when they fought. Here you are watching fedor fight and see him get opened up by Matt Lindland and though, oh damn, fedor suckkkss.... big deal, there were several other guys who opened up fedor, they ended up losing anyway.

It's obvious you know little about Fedor and uses MMA math with Crocop in sizing up fedor. You probably watched 1-2 of his fights and listen to dana babble and think you know something.

Look at it this way, getting an A on an exam doesn't make you an A student, consistently getting A's through the years make you an A student. Same applies with fedor, A true champion isn't someone who just has the belt, but someone who successfully defended it time and time again makes you a true champion.
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Old 11-21-2007, 10:05 PM   #22 (permalink)
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Ok, so Fedor might be a great fighter but, he doesn't deserve the #1 spot. He keeps fighting "so-so" fighters. His next fight is against some dude that is 7'2" again.. No-name guy.. Yeah he beat cro-cop but, that doesn't mean anything anymore. Infact, he only scooped a decision there. Any of the major ass-whipins he has put down has been against guys like Goodridge. Mark Hunt almost whipped his ass, Kevin Randleman almost broke his neck. If he fought Randy Couture, he would be man handled. If he fought Gonzaga, he would be KO'd. If he fought AA, he would get KO'd.

So, this is just my opionin but, if he keeps fighting "no-name" guys, he shouldn't get the #1 spot!

I know some of you are gonna say, "no-name? whatever" but, in terms of the BEST HW in the world, he hasn't fought any of them in a long long time!

He looked like shit against Matt Linland & Linland is usually a 185er!
Let start with the basic reasons why you're wrong.

First, you're obviously a hardcore UFC fan who's never watched a Pride or K-1 event. If you knew anything about Asian MMA, or even about the top of K-1 kickboxing, you'd know who Hong Man Choi is. He's one of the best kickboxers in the world. If you really think that a guy who's been fighting in the upper echelon of K-1 for years is a no-name, then you're even more of an idiot than your post has made you sound like.

Then you gave the short list of guys who would beat Fedor. Here's where you get really dumb:

Randy Couture

I don't understand how people can call Randy a top heavyweight when not only is he 3 for 5, but his 2 losses were at 205, not even as a heavyweight.

He's not a better wrestler than Randleman or Coleman (he also lacks Randleman's explosiveness and Coleman's raw strength), he's not a better striker than Semmy Schilt or Mirko CroCop and he's not better with submissions than Nogueira. He loses that fight literally anywhere it goes.

Gabriel Gonzaga

Really? What the f*ck are you smoking?

Gabriel Gonzaga's only advantage in this fight is his jiu-jitsu, and even that isn't a problem for Fedor. Gonzaga's hands are not quick enough for him to last in a fight with Fedor, and he doesn't have the spider guard agility and flexibility needed to be able to attack Fedor during his groundnpound. (that's what I'm taking from Gonzaga's competitive jiu-jitsu, not so much his MMA, and if he can't do it without strikes, he's definitely not going to be able to do it with them)

Andrei Arlovski

Of all of these guys, Arlovski's the only one who's matchup even makes sense. Still, I don't think that Arlovski's sambo is anywhere near Fedor's. I also think that Arlovski's stalking striking won't be as effective against a great counterpuncher like Fedor.

You also missed the fundamental piece of Fedor's game (which you would have known more about if you had done more than just watched Pride on FSN), which is that no one in the sport can break him. Hunt got on top because Fedor was bored and let him slip out of that armbar, Fedor then proceeded to put on a different armlock (one of the one's he's actually good with from the top) to finish him. The time Hunt spent on the top dragged on because he didn't do anything for Fedor to counter.

As for Randleman, Fedor showed a resiliance that no other fighter has. Randleman was on fire during that part of his career, and when he landed that, some people thought it was over for Fedor, not just for the night, but permanently. Fedor took advantage of Randleman's bad submission defense (because Randleman also thought he had won that fight) and he finished him.

There is no one else in this sport that deserves the #1 ranking as much as Fedor does. In case you aren't convinced, lets go through the guys from the heavyweight division that Fedor didn't thoroughly dominate.

Randy Couture Has lost 2 of his last 5 fights, and those weren't even against a heavyweight. He also has yet to really beat a top 5 fighter. Gonzaga and Sylvia had long since been sinking in the rankings.

Andrei Arlovski Apart from being completely unimpressive against Werdum, Arlovski also didn't take any initiative against Sylvia in their third fight. He's definitely out.

Tim Sylvia Even if you remove his fight with Couture, he's still gone to 4 decisions. He beat Vera, Alvoski twice and Monson. Monson and Vera aren't even top ten fighters, and he wasn't exactly impressive against them. Come on.

Brandon Vera Let's overlook his loss to big Tim. He still hasn't beaten anyone worth speaking of besides Frank Mir, who was coming off of a serious injury and hadn't stepped into the cage in a long time. Nothing impressive about him except his Thai skills, none of which he utilized against impressive strikers. He beat guys at something they aren't good at. That's not what #1 fighters do.

Cheick Kongo Let's just look at the new Kongo, who is showing signs of a ground game. He outstruck CroCop, but other than that, he really doesn't have a major credential. I don't even know why I'm writing about him.

That seems like it will tell most hardcore fans what they already know, but it's important for people to understand how much of a joke the UFC heavyweight division has been over the last few years. Sylvia and Arlovski really legitimized it for a while, but the UFC's inability to bring in more talent presented alot of problems. While they were doing that, Fedor was dominating the most talented heavyweights they didn't have. That's why he is, and will continue to be, #1.
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Old 11-21-2007, 10:30 PM   #23 (permalink)
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Just because fedor has been inactive for almost a year (which isn't true) doesn't mean he's not using that time to improve his skills. Look at couture, he was inactive for a year, but came back stronger than ever. Time off doesn't necessarily mean a decrease in skill...plus the biggest reason for the lack of fights was well... pride was Bought Out!

Also Fedor just took home the Gold Russian & World Combat Sambo Championship for god's sakes. Fedor's said it numerous times that training for combat sambo has helped him tremendously in preparing for his MMA fights. As far as i am concerned, just the fact that fedor took home the gold again this year, shows he's still on top of things and training as hard as he always had been doing.

Plus, If anyone is planning to take fedor off the #1 list should at least wait until Feb when he fights monson, and see how fedor performs then.
Wait, so it's not true that Fedor hasn't fought a single HW in almost a year? Were there some hidden, underground fights that I missed out on?

Fedor beat Matt Lindland, who is a MW. I definitely don't count that, and neither should anyone else. In order to be the number 1 HW, you need to fight HW's.

Fedor has all the talent in the world, but the fact of the matter is that he hasn't beaten a solid HW in almost a year.
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Old 11-21-2007, 10:38 PM   #24 (permalink)
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In my opinion, Fedor is still the #1 HW in the world. However, his #1 spot will definitely change once other top HW's start fighting other top HW's. Fedor fighting Pedro Rizzo, Hong Man Choi, and Jeff Monson will NOT solidify his #1 spot.
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Old 11-22-2007, 01:32 AM   #25 (permalink)
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Wait, so it's not true that Fedor hasn't fought a single HW in almost a year? Were there some hidden, underground fights that I missed out on?

Fedor beat Matt Lindland, who is a MW. I definitely don't count that, and neither should anyone else. In order to be the number 1 HW, you need to fight HW's.

Fedor has all the talent in the world, but the fact of the matter is that he hasn't beaten a solid HW in almost a year.
Fedor's fight with Lindland was a heavyweight bout. Lindland weighed in at 220ish pounds, but I think that's already been mentioned on this thread.

Before that, his last two fights were against guys who were definitely heavyweights. (Hunt and Coleman are both 250+) The only reason he hasn't fought since then has been because of the contract issues, the Bodog fight was the only one he could get, and looking at Bodog's roster, Lindland was the best fighter on there. (Monson originally skipped out on the fight)
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Old 11-22-2007, 01:34 AM   #26 (permalink)
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In my opinion, Fedor is still the #1 HW in the world. However, his #1 spot will definitely change once other top HW's start fighting other top HW's. Fedor fighting Pedro Rizzo, Hong Man Choi, and Jeff Monson will NOT solidify his #1 spot.
Barnett has also signed with M-1, which gives Fedor at least one really serious opponent for the near future.

That said, I think Monson is definitely better than anyone the top UFC guys are fighting. The UFC heavyweight division will thin out really quickly without Randy and with Vera's poor showing against Sylvia. (frankly, Hong Man Choi would have made it a more interesting fight)
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Old 11-22-2007, 04:25 AM   #27 (permalink)
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Wait, so it's not true that Fedor hasn't fought a single HW in almost a year? Were there some hidden, underground fights that I missed out on?

Fedor has all the talent in the world, but the fact of the matter is that he hasn't beaten a solid HW in almost a year.
Reread my post, Matt Lindland fought at 218lb...which is yea, you guessed it, at Heavyweight. Your logic doesn't make much sense to me, it's like saying randy couture isn't really a HW, when he moved up from 205 to 230 to compete in the HW division...or saying Dan Henderson was really MW when he beat Wanderlei at 205.

Also, on a side note, being "inactive" to me means not competing in any fights period. Fedor just recently competed in combat sambo and took home the world championship. I consider that pretty damn active.
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Fedor is number one if you rank based on skill level. He's the Michael Jordan of MMA.
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Old 11-22-2007, 08:57 AM   #29 (permalink)
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Let start with the basic reasons why you're wrong.

First, you're obviously a hardcore UFC fan who's never watched a Pride or K-1 event. If you knew anything about Asian MMA, or even about the top of K-1 kickboxing, you'd know who Hong Man Choi is. He's one of the best kickboxers in the world. If you really think that a guy who's been fighting in the upper echelon of K-1 for years is a no-name, then you're even more of an idiot than your post has made you sound like.

Then you gave the short list of guys who would beat Fedor. Here's where you get really dumb:

Randy Couture

I don't understand how people can call Randy a top heavyweight when not only is he 3 for 5, but his 2 losses were at 205, not even as a heavyweight.

He's not a better wrestler than Randleman or Coleman (he also lacks Randleman's explosiveness and Coleman's raw strength), he's not a better striker than Semmy Schilt or Mirko CroCop and he's not better with submissions than Nogueira. He loses that fight literally anywhere it goes.

Gabriel Gonzaga

Really? What the f*ck are you smoking?

Gabriel Gonzaga's only advantage in this fight is his jiu-jitsu, and even that isn't a problem for Fedor. Gonzaga's hands are not quick enough for him to last in a fight with Fedor, and he doesn't have the spider guard agility and flexibility needed to be able to attack Fedor during his groundnpound. (that's what I'm taking from Gonzaga's competitive jiu-jitsu, not so much his MMA, and if he can't do it without strikes, he's definitely not going to be able to do it with them)

Andrei Arlovski

Of all of these guys, Arlovski's the only one who's matchup even makes sense. Still, I don't think that Arlovski's sambo is anywhere near Fedor's. I also think that Arlovski's stalking striking won't be as effective against a great counterpuncher like Fedor.

You also missed the fundamental piece of Fedor's game (which you would have known more about if you had done more than just watched Pride on FSN), which is that no one in the sport can break him. Hunt got on top because Fedor was bored and let him slip out of that armbar, Fedor then proceeded to put on a different armlock (one of the one's he's actually good with from the top) to finish him. The time Hunt spent on the top dragged on because he didn't do anything for Fedor to counter.

As for Randleman, Fedor showed a resiliance that no other fighter has. Randleman was on fire during that part of his career, and when he landed that, some people thought it was over for Fedor, not just for the night, but permanently. Fedor took advantage of Randleman's bad submission defense (because Randleman also thought he had won that fight) and he finished him.

There is no one else in this sport that deserves the #1 ranking as much as Fedor does. In case you aren't convinced, lets go through the guys from the heavyweight division that Fedor didn't thoroughly dominate.

Randy Couture Has lost 2 of his last 5 fights, and those weren't even against a heavyweight. He also has yet to really beat a top 5 fighter. Gonzaga and Sylvia had long since been sinking in the rankings.

Andrei Arlovski Apart from being completely unimpressive against Werdum, Arlovski also didn't take any initiative against Sylvia in their third fight. He's definitely out.

Tim Sylvia Even if you remove his fight with Couture, he's still gone to 4 decisions. He beat Vera, Alvoski twice and Monson. Monson and Vera aren't even top ten fighters, and he wasn't exactly impressive against them. Come on.

Brandon Vera Let's overlook his loss to big Tim. He still hasn't beaten anyone worth speaking of besides Frank Mir, who was coming off of a serious injury and hadn't stepped into the cage in a long time. Nothing impressive about him except his Thai skills, none of which he utilized against impressive strikers. He beat guys at something they aren't good at. That's not what #1 fighters do.

Cheick Kongo Let's just look at the new Kongo, who is showing signs of a ground game. He outstruck CroCop, but other than that, he really doesn't have a major credential. I don't even know why I'm writing about him.

That seems like it will tell most hardcore fans what they already know, but it's important for people to understand how much of a joke the UFC heavyweight division has been over the last few years. Sylvia and Arlovski really legitimized it for a while, but the UFC's inability to bring in more talent presented alot of problems. While they were doing that, Fedor was dominating the most talented heavyweights they didn't have. That's why he is, and will continue to be, #1.
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